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Andrew Cate
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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Came across this gem on Heritage, any memories on putting this together?

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Drew it. Jotted some notes. That’s about it!
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I recall seeing this sketch in the past.  The red boots were a neat touch,  I thought.  Funny that Kitty was younger than me when she was first published  -- In the earliest appearances her age given was 13 and a half, when I was about eleven -- and now I am much older than her.  Sigh.
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Love the measurements. 
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Not sure of the provenance of this drawing any more. Decades ago I gave it to a friend. Shortly after, we drifted apart. Years later, when I saw it for sale, I emailed the last address I had for her, saying I hoped she got a good price. Eight years later (!) she responded saying it had been stolen.
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And there’s the birth of the New Mutants right there. 
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Yes. I’d created Kitty in response to Shooter insisting the X-Men were a school—even tho they had not really been such for years, and the current members being entirely adults made them unlikely candidates to be students. Kitty was to be the first of a team of young mutants to whom the adults would act as instructors.

Shooter dismissed this as “the Legion of Substitute X-Men”.

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Interesting that at this stage Ariel seemed to have been the front-runner in terms of a codename.
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Peter, with Caliban being the other it makes sense in a Tempesty sort of way.
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I sent a link to this to my friend whose God-Mother is the real Kitty Pryde. She thought it was neat but somewhat beyond her price range. 
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No lawyer I, but wouldn't JB's friend - the one from whom it was stolen - have some claim against this?
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I don’t think it works that way.
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I too am no lawyer, but my guess is there would have to be a police report filed long ago indicating the property was stolen.
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Just so you know....if you ever decided to give me a gift like this.....I would never part with it. 

Your very close friend and admirer from Kansas City. 


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I thought this was interesting. Recovery standards and practices have advanced more than I thought, although conscience still seems to be a primary motivator of art returns. The guidelines extend well beyond WWII. 

 ArtLaw wrote:
International Foundation for Art Research (IFAR) Issues New Provenance Guide

In the wake of more WWII/Nazi era stolen art legal battles, the International Foundation for Art Research (IFAR) has issued a new Provenance Guide, which highlights the importance of archival research, and states that provenance research is “a must” for all art purchasers. The Provenance Guide includes links to numerous archival websites and databases (including the Getty Research Institute), which will aid in provenance due diligence. IFAR states that provenance litigation demonstrate that “all available archival materials must be consulted . . . ” because among other things, “documentary evidence may be open to interpretation.”
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I've never bought from a dealer/reseller - is it normal practice to document/establish a chain of ownership?  I'm curious to see how it is being done today.
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A few decades ago I was at MidOhioCon with Walt Simonson when he discovered a stolen piece of his art was being displayed for sale in one of the booths. He asked me to go with him to confirm the piece was his. This I did. The sellers response was basically “So what?” He’d bought the piece, he said, in good faith, from someone who had done likewise.

End of discussion, as far as he was concerned. And nothing Walter could do about it.

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Jason K Fulton
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Sold for $21,600.00 this afternoon. That's fucking nuts.
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It's a cool item, but yikes!  
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Jason K Fulton
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The double page splash from Uncanny #137 sold for $204,000.00 (had previously sold in 2015 for $167,000.00).
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The Frazetta Egyptian Queen did not move today for the low entry bid of $4,500,000. 

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You said it, Jason, that's crazy!


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Ordinarily, even a "good faith" purchaser only receives the same title to a good that the seller has, which, in the case of a stolen good is no title at all.  If the piece was stolen, the owner may very well still have title to it and can recover it from Heritage.  If Heritage refuses to return it, she can sue for its return or sue the subsequent buyer. 

All of the facts would need to be examined and the law of the jurisdiction at issue evaluated for variances from this ordinary rule.  If she is interested in pursuing, she should contact Heritage immediately to let them know of the claim.
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Sold for $21,600.00 this afternoon. That's fucking nuts.

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Totally agree.

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Does America not have laws governing receiving and sale of stolen goods? 

Stolen goods remain stolen goods regardless of how many times they are stolen yes? 

No? That's crazy
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