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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 07 May 2019 at 3:22pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Saw this on Facebook and asked if I could post here -- I thought JB could bring some clarity to the idea

As I said on FB, I don't see why JB would make up a story about Kirby being erased 




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Posted: 07 May 2019 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Hannigan did not design that cover, I did. I drew Kirby, Marvel removed him.

He was originally in front of Stan, to the left, and would have ended up covered by that white circle, which they added later. (Most unusual for a blank space to be left for a blurb that was to be pasted on.). I wonder where this guy thinks Kirby was positioned?

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Posted: 08 May 2019 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

'Nuff said!
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Posted: 08 May 2019 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

JB: I wonder where this guy thinks Kirby was positioned?

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He just insists you just didn't draw him at all. He said that circle was left open for text -- and there's no other available space you could have drawn him. 

I don't see any motivation in you lying about this... what would be the point? 

Oh well.


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Posted: 08 May 2019 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

That same guy is in a Kirby group and spouts the usual Jack Kirby did everything, Stan Lee did nothing nonsense. 
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 4:33am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Richard, that seems consistent with someone willing to ignore the statements of an artist over the current owner of the work.The LACK of "erase marks" means it never happened or maybe, just maybe, time and very careful erasing left no "erase marks". =/
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At the time of publication some flak was directed my way for not including Kirby. When I responded that I HAD done so, but Marvel’s lawyers had ordered him removed (according to Shooter), no one questioned my word.

For this to become an issue almost forty years later points to some folk who seriously need to GET A LIFE.

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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 6:41am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Imagine people griping about Jack Kirby in 1990 over some single drawing he'd done in 1950. This kind of motive against John Byrne resides somewhere in loony land.
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 7:03am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Could you talk a bit about working with a cover designer, JB? 
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Not much to say. I’d be sent a sketch, and I’d draw it.
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I wasn't aware of Ed Hannigan's involvement in the FF's cover designs. There you go, always something new to learn and from a direction I've never suspected.
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 9:21am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I didn't know the covers were designed by someone else either. A bit odd, as I never pictured JB needing any direction in this regard, he's consistently produced excellent and highly innovative covers, before, during, and after his FF run.
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 9:41am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Ed Hannigan did lots of cover and pin-up designs. Interesting to note this was done in some cases to work out the color schemes. Many people forget that color is a consideration and why inked commissions don't always look great when colored.

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I could have sworn I somewhere saw a cover version to FF 236 that showed Kirby. Probably on this forum. Or I could be mistaken and it was a recreation of some sort.
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It seems as if recent events—such as my SyFy interviews and a few convention appearances—have damaged my reputation as the Great Satan, and now some benighted souls are diving deep to scrape the bottom of the barrel to invent a rather lame Big Bad Byrne story.
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I could have sworn I somewhere saw a cover version to FF 236 that showed Kirby.

I was thinking the same thing Ed!
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I saw a fan version or 'homage' of the cover with Kirby added, maybe you both saw that?

I can see there would be an imbalance design-wise to have left that area blank so am thinking there would've been a figure there, plus Kirby was mentioned right on the cover with Stan as they were publishing an unused comic drawn by Kirby inside. There was some weird things going on between the company, Shooter and the Kirbys at the time and ordering something removed or erased fits in totally. Did JB use super hard pencil lead? I can erase soft pencil so you can't tell it ever was there, I can even lift off grease pencil with semi-sticky tape so it's 98% or better no longer visible, and that's from cheap comic cover paper not solid bristol board.


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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 11:25am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Ed: I could have sworn I somewhere saw a cover version to FF 236 that showed Kirby. Probably on this forum. Or I could be mistaken and it was a recreation of some sort.

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This one?



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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 11:31am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Is this account inaccurate?


From: Kirby & Lee: Stuf’ Said!: The complex genesis of the Marvel Universe, by Morrow & Cooke (2019).

It would definitely support JB's account.
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 11:38am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

The same guy is saying he has tons of "unseen, unknown stuff" that he intends to post in the next few days. 

Today he posted part of a "Lost Letter Column of X-Men #137" (supposedly written by JB with an intro by Claremont) that was sacrificed to give an extra page to the new ending. 



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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Is this account inaccurate?

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Yes.

And as to that letter above—I don’t know WHAT that is, but I do know I’ve never used that format when typing.

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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

I do appreciate your reactions to these posts. Brings perspective to everything. 
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Just noticed the “csc” at upper left, so that’s Chris. Was he pretending to be me?!
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 12:22pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Was X-Men #137 given an extra page? I’ll have to go look at that when I get home. 
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | 25 post reply

To Nathan: that’s not the cover I saw. It was definitely the published 236 cover but with Kirby. Until JB just said he had been erased I thought at the time they just covered Kirby for publication, then uncovered for whatever it was I saw. It must have been a photoshop job by someone.
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