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Posted: 13 May 2019 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

This seems an odd quest, if that’s what it is. I’ve been telling the same version of the facts since 1980, and if anyone had a problem with my tale—Shooter or Chris, for instance—they’d surely have expressed them long before now.
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Sign of the times that something this well-established is receiving an
Orwellian-style "truther" campaign.

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I blame comics! For several generations we have been training our readers not to accept anything at face value. From the Alan Moore "Everything you know is a lie" approach, to my own "Things are not always as they seem," we've conditioned the less mentally adept in our audience to seek subplots within subplots!
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I admit I do like reading about the behind the scenes history about your work on the X-Men but the reality is, it doesn't change what was published. 

I am curious about something. I do remember you talking about doing an X-Men graphic novel but was there ever an actual story in mind?
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No story as such.
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JB: No story as such.

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Well that's interesting, because our FB poster has made the claim, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST was originally intended as the graphic novel story -- that's why it doesn't appear on this list:


And what about the Wendigo story? That's not on the list

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Well, I think the Wendigo story would be covered by

Apr 135 - Split-up 1/ Wolverine-Nightcrawler 




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Posted: 14 May 2019 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Nope, DoFP does not have a secret life as an aborted graphic novel. I plotted it as a two part comic book story.
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Corey: Well, I think the Wendigo story would be covered by

Apr 135 - Split-up 1/ Wolverine-Nightcrawler 

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Makes sense!
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Also found this "reveal" from the FB poster... 



The original...


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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

What IS he trying to prove?
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I feel like I'm reading a conspiracy thriller, except the conspiracy is concerned with minutiae that no one would care to lie about.

If Claremont typed out the plots AFTER he discussed them with the artist, either for the editor or for his own purposes, what's the point of comparing his plots with the final product? JB wasn't working from that.
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Is there really a big "reveal" there,? Given the period of publication, it's pretty obvious that either editorial or the Comics Code Authority objected to the language.

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Nathan, does this guy ever really come up with something worthwhile? Everything I've seen posted here is stuff you can find in old interviews and fanzines, and such, and none of it truly points to any grand scheme. Does this guy have some point? Is he trying to say Claremont, JB, or someone associated with the series was or is lying about something? And, if this is the case, why does he think anyone would do this?

It's no secret that writers and artists plan things over the course of a series, and sometimes change those plans, or alter them in some way.

I really don't understand what this guy's motive is, other than trying to garner his fifteen minutes of web-based fan-fame?

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Claremont's was ever a man of WORDS -- rich, thick, leisurely words -- who to the frustration of his colleagues -- would fill a panel generously with those words he LOVED. 

Fill them with those words -- the best he had -- till they were fit to BURST.

The only PASSION that rivalled his love of words was the odd use of... ELLIPSES.
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I am at a loss trying to figure out what he's out to prove. Everyone involved have said there was a give and take throughout the whole Dark Phoenix saga. I'm sure Claremont typed up all kinds of things throughout the whole storyline that he tossed out or were changed or modified and JB has talked about his ideas as to where he wanted the story to go and how it ended up the way it did. 

Comics Feature even ran an article outlining how #137 came to be...I'm not sure how much more needs to be said. 
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This guy's posts are amusing, and I'm guessing his motive is just to attract attention and seem like some kind of "comic book insider".

What an intense Uncanny X-Men fan he is!!

-C!
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This seems to be his reasoning for DOFP originally being intended to be a graphic novel:

This news item from TCJ #52 mentions a forthcoming deluxe book...



...which Peter Sanderson mentions during the interview from TCJ #57...



On the section I've marked in red he says "Focus on this part. No doubt that Byrne means Days of Future Past."

He's posted the splash page of Kitty entering the Danger Room calling it "The introduction of the new member, Kitty, in X-Men #141." He seems to forget that Kitty had already appeared in several issues already, including appearing in costume in #139.
 
He also presents the panels of Kitty being creeped out by Nightcrawler which JB refers to in the interview excerpt above. He seems to think this is further proof that DOFP was going to be the deluxe book.

Finally, he posts this...



...saying,  "Ad draw by Salicrup. Nobody understood why he drew it, but the answer lies in this post."

This is how he introduces the topic:

"DAYS OF FUTURE PAST--THE GRAPHIC NOVEL.

When I say that sometimes the information is known but you just need to join the dots, I'm not kidding. A clear example of this is 'Days of Future Past.'

In the The Comic Journal #57 (cover date July, 1980) interview, Byrne talks about the upcoming direct-sales book (not yet labeled as Graphic Novel) and describes the contents showcasing the introduction of Kitty and his relationship with Nightcrawler, as seen in #141!!!

Not only that, it sets it chronologically during the realization of #137, when Jim Salicrup was still the editor (he left when Shooter ordered to change the making of #137). This would explain why Salicrup drew the silly ad and other things.

Various news at the age supports the GN idea, aside of key info that I'll publish once I finish with the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Remember that the first graphic novel was The Death of Captain Marvel and it was published in January, 1982."


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Two plus two equals five anyone?


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He's a tool in love with the idea of everyone waiting in baited breath for his next 'publication'. Having those directly involved giving us first-hand testimony pales in comparison to his joining of the dots.
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The one single thing he's said that I am surprised by is that it's true, Shooter
forgot that Roger Stern was editor when the idea of making Phoenix a bad guy
first came up.

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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 6:50am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

There seems to be some confusion over the difference between a double-sized issue and a graphic novel, at least in this instance.

Of course, there seems to be a LOT of confusion here!

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That ad, and the cover copy on the issue—don’tcha just love how we did one of our most DRAMATIC stories, and editorial made a JOKE out of it?
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I hated that ad then and I still hate it now.
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I only remember seeing that ad in Spider-Woman at the time (#36, March 1981 cover date, I think, which places it slightly after the fact). It seemed out of place there, but then there was an X-Men tie-in with following issues...

It seems like this is another case of someone thinking they can know all, after the fact, from pieces of paper. Reality substituted by pieces of paper can be a serious flaw of our species as well as a gateway to imagination.
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