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John Byrne
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Pete ButtigeigI dunno. I sure wouldn’t want to belong to a club that explicitly wants me dead.
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Marc Baptiste
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I used to be more understanding of those who considered themselves gay AND Christian. However, as I have grown older, more educated, and hopefully wiser, I have found my sympathies for these individuals wane significantly.
Both the Old and New Testament are fairly unambiguous in their condemnation of homosexuality (especially male homosexuality) - and even if you accept that Leviticus does not apply to Gentiles (Christians), you still have Romans in the New Testament to contend with.
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Jeffrey Rice
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My sister is a devout catholic and volunteers regularly at her church. There is no secrets about her sexuality either. I really don't get it one bit.
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Eric Jansen
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| Posted: 26 April 2019 at 12:25am | IP Logged | 4
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For the record, I'm a Christian and I don't want anybody dead.
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Shawn Kane
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Same here. I'm a Presbyterian in West Virginia and my own church has accepted gay members since the mid-90's. In our Christmas play this past year, Joseph was portrayed by a young man who happens to be gay. No one had an issue with it.
Edited by Shawn Kane on 26 April 2019 at 4:35am
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 26 April 2019 at 5:46am | IP Logged | 6
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Cafeteria Christianity. Just pick the parts you like. But there’s nothing in the Bible that allows for that, is there? Nothing that says as time goes by THIS rule can be modified, THAT rule can be ignored. It’s an All or Nothing proposition—except Nothing isn’t an option.
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Shawn Kane
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I've often heard that from believers and non-believers both but I was raised to believe that we aren't the judge of others. "An eye for an eye" or "Turn the other cheek"? We can't do both but I know which on makes more sense if you're told to "Love your neighbor". My faith is a personal thing (one of the reasons I usually stay out of these threads).
Edited by Shawn Kane on 26 April 2019 at 6:23am
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John Byrne
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“Love your neighbor...” provided you agree which side God parts his hair.
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Tim Cousar
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People who work on Sunday, people who eat shellfish...
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John Byrne
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Christians have convinced themselves that the New Testament writes over the Old, yet Jesus himself said the opposite. (For ease of discussion I reference Jesus as if he really existed, tho there is no irrefutable evidence to support that claim.)
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Koroush Ghazi
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If you brainwash someone at a young enough age - especially if it's done by the parents - then no matter what knowledge and evidence they gain access to afterwards, they will always revert to that emotional programming.
That's how you get a gay guy completely overlooking the hatred of gays in the Bible, or a woman overlooking the misogynistic nonsense therein, etc. Their priority is to apply their intellect to rationalise the irrational, instead of simply dispelling it.
Imagine someone saying "I'm a Vegetarian but I eat meat". That's what I hear when I hear somebody saying "I'm a Christian but I don't hate gays", or "Islam is the religion of Peace", or "God is Love".
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Mike Benson
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All Christians overlook something, don’t they? But so long as they don’t impose their beliefs on me, not my business.
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