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Andrew Cate
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Posted: April 15 2019 at 6:55pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Love this character, probably one of my favorites. Itís just frustrating the Hero only gets to shine only once in a blue moon when an artist and a writer come together and give the character his due. Heís had some great runs for sure but due to conflicting origins and restarts itís difficult for the general public or even creators to bond with the character.

JB have you ever thought about doing a Hawkman solo title?
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Posted: April 15 2019 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Almost did! But DC dropped the ball.
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JB what version would you have gone with? Would you have started with an origin? 
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JB gets the headpiece right.
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Shelly Moldoff was in his element with the character. Fantastic wings! Loved his art, or ďBobsĒ, on Batman as well. 



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Adam Schulman
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The current HAWKMAN title is quite good. Check it out if you haven't.
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Andy Mokler
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Something I always thought was that Hawkman and Hawkgirl were an item.  But the Justice League cartoon and Legends of Tomorrow have both made it to where she's sort of begrudgingly with him or not at all.

Is that a modern retcon or have they always been that way?
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Brian Hague
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Very modern. Hawkwoman w/o Hawkman came about with the debut of the Animated Justice League series and was quickly followed up in the comics. 

There is a precedent in Timothy Truman's Hawkworld, wherein Shayera is a super-competent police professional and Katar is a fairly pathetic drug-addicted rich kid in need of a good kick in the ass whose Daddy bought him a place on the force.

Back in the day, they were fated lovers and later, an imaginative, determined couple who happily worked on the police force together. 


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Thanks for the info.  Hawkman and Hawkgirl just seem like they should be made for each other so I guess I like the classic version even though I haven't read much of them.

Seems typical of so many modern writers to break them up or make one of them flawed.  I never understood why they put John Stewart and Hawkgirl together.  Not only that, they turned Hawkman into a real creep and stalker.
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Modern stuff has to be edgy. If it's not edgy, there's just no point to doing it at all, apparently. And of course, heroes these days are just not heroic. That would make them unrealistic, and we don't want that, right?

I strongly recommend the early Fox/Kubert Silver Age stories as good, clean super-hero fiction, even if the story logic gets a bit strained at times. (Schwartz books will do that occasionally. There's a reason they call them Strange Schwartz Stories... :-) The patter and tone of the married couple is always enjoyable and downright charming at times.

And mix in a few Golden Age tales here and there where you can. They're pleasantly adventuresome and romantic with a certain mysticism to them. I could easily have seen some very stylish 40's era films made on their premise.


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I guess it is uncommon for a couple to be happy and committed but this is fiction.  You'd think of anywhere a couple might find those things it would at least happen in fantasyland.  But, the fans that are left seem to be happier when Superman's getting killed, Batman's breaking his back, Batgirl's getting shot and crippled, etc.

A man and a woman loving each other and being partners is just too far-fetched.
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Posted: April 16 2019 at 12:28am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Almost did! But DC dropped the ball.
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Argh!  Another "Almost-Was"!  Walt Simonson and Jim Starlin have also done some great mini-takes on Hawkman--what might have been!

Byrne, Simonson, Starlin--If each of these could have done a year or two with the character, Hawkman would definitely be a major hitter now!
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