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Posted: 18 April 2019 at 9:12am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

When I went to DC to work on Superman, I learned there were some people there who wanted Alfred to have sexually abused young Bruce.

Some at Marvel wanted Uncle Ben to have done the same to Peter.

Makes one wonder what these people were needing to exorcise in their own lives.

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Okay, somebody commission a full body piece of this, already!

MTU #70, DeZuniga inks

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But, to my shame, when Thor hits the tugboat------there's nothing that looks anything like a tugboat! Just shards of----stuff.

GAH!!!!!!

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Would have loved to see:

JB's INVADERS/JSA Crossover
JB's DANGER UNLIMITED all the way to the finish line
JB's proposed BLACKFOX miniseries
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Those DeZuniga inks were very cool, just the right amount of grit.

I'd have loved to see Gil Kane's The Flame Horse:

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Never even heard of The Flame Horse but that looks amazing.
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It's been strongly implied since DC REBIRTH #1 that despite lots of pre-New 52 stuff becoming canonical again, IDENTITY CRISIS is still no longer canonical and, hence, Sue Dibny's rape by Dr. Light isn't either.

Ralph Dibny appeared in the most recent issue of DOOMSDAY CLOCK, alive and well. My bet is that Sue is also alive.

Works for me. Erase all the pointless darkness!
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"But, to my shame, when Thor hits the tugboat------there's nothing that looks anything like a tugboat! Just shards of----stuff."

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As long as the tugboat didn't best him, you should be very proud of this piece.
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JB's Fantastic Four 294-296.

His stamp on the FF's 25th Anniversary issue would have been a classic.

Instead, we got some Jim Shooter whateveryouwanttocallit!
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When I went to DC to work on Superman, I learned there were some people there who wanted Alfred to have...
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I feel very lucky to have started reading comics in the mid-70's.  I had a good ten or so years of reading great stories (including reprints from the 60's) that were good for adults and children alike--a fine line that seems a forgotten talent these days.  JB's X-MEN was about as intelligent a read as you can get, but there was nothing there "to corrupt my young mind."  (DAREDEVIL got a little dark, but still nothing I would keep away from a 12 year-old.)  As I--and comics--got older, I drifted over to Marvel's (and also THE SPIRIT) magazines and the upcoming independents, which were more "adult," but they still weren't gross.

I think too many creators these days don't know the difference between "adult" (deep stuff for smart people) and "Adult" (prurient material that anyone younger than a certain age should be protected from--and the older people should think twice about putting in their heads!).
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Of course the biggest "What could have been" is what if everybody at DC was on the same page after CRISIS and all the books started fresh, not just WONDER WOMAN.  Or, really, what if they DIDN'T.  (JB has said how he could have just started fresh with SUPERMAN without doing a big reboot and just continued on, dropping the bad and keeping the good.)

Not to beat a dead horse, but NEW TEEN TITANS, LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES, and INFINITY INC. were DC's best books at the time (as evidenced by, among other things, them being the flagship titles printed on better paper).  If nothing else, you'd think there would have been a plan not to sabotage these books by eliminating foundational elements from each (Wonder Girl's very existence was a big mess with the elimination of Wonder Woman's history, LEGION went off the rails without Superboy's existence, and the elimination of Earth 2 not only exploded INFINITY INC. and ALL-STAR SQUADRON but ruined the raison d'etre for the Huntress and Power Girl, two potential super-stars).

So, yeah, what if there WAS a post-Crisis plan?
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Re: Crisis: When you have arrogance, you don't need a plan.

As for the idea of Alfred molesting Bruce, if nothing else, it makes me glad that Uncle Phillip is no longer a part of the history. Once they got past the idea of Alfred, they'd have landed squarely on Bruce's Uncle. 

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 Brian Hague wrote:
When Kirby came over to DC, he asked what the company's lowest selling book was, so he would not be displacing a creative team who weren't already on their way out. He was told Jimmy Olsen, and that's why Darkseid, Morgan Edge, and the Fourth World all have their origins in that title. I have occasionally wondered what would have occurred had DC replied differently and Kirby has assumed control of Wonder Woman instead. The New Gods would likely have come in literally replacing the old and causing no end of chaos for the Amazons and Paradise Island. It is an image to conjure with.

According to Mark Evanier, it's a myth that Kirby asked to take over DC's lowest-selling title. Kirby actually was not interested in doing someone else's characters, but for budgetary reasons DC insisted he do at least one established title, rather than only starting all new books.  The reasons Jimmy Olsen was chosen were that Infantino wanted Kirby to revamp Superman, and Kirby said he didn't want to take an assignment away from someone else.  Jimmy Olsen had no regular artist because Pete Costanza had just retired, so it fit the bill.


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