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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 16 April 2019 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

One flaw with that theory: Would Cersei be so foolish to think she'd remain in power, or even still be alive, if the Night King defeated everyone else? The Night King doesn't need her, but the other armies do.

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Nobody's spoken to the Night King or has any idea of his motivations. Not that I buy the theory, but for all Cersei knows, the guy could be reasonable or even better, horny. He was willing to strike a bargain with the likes of Craster, why not the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms?

Doubt it, though. For me, the show's great disappointment has been how it treats the White Walkers as a force of nature rather than a foreign culture. Tolkien's orcs had way more personality, while still being 1000% eeeeeviiiiil. An episode among the Others could have been thrilling. For all we know there's an undead Tormun Giants-Bane in their midst, clicking wise in the icy tongue. Instead all we know about White Walkers is they create art. I guess there's still time in the next five episodes for some society and diplomacy, but I'm not giving in to hope.
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I assume we're into non-book related speculation here, so since The Night King has been raised, I continue to hear revisitations of a several year old quite far out and yet sort of intriguing theory about his identity.  Avert ye gaze now if you don't want to hear
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Bran is the Night King.  The Theory has been raised for years ever since Bran was grabbed momentarily by the Night King in one of his wargs.  This seemed to create a connection between the two and we have seen that everything The Night King touches from babies to dragons turns into a white walker.   Bran and the Night King wear similar clothing.  This all seems incredibly circumstantial, however, and far from conclusive.  It also creates quite a chicken and egg paradox.  Still, the GOT boys do like to salt in visual and audio clues years in advance (HODOR!) and one fan theory suggests that in the recap for the most recent episode we saw that old clip where Bran was informed he would never walk again but that he would fly.  The obvious assumption is that this referred to his warging, but mere moments later in the recap the fan says we saw the Night King flying on the back of the undead dragon.  It's a tantalizing notion and would be a major twist but it seems hard to justify, though both the Night King and Bran do seem to share that rare warging ability, so there is something maddeningly fascinating about the notion, however farfetched it may be.  Thoughts?
 



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Learn how to use the INVISO tag. 

[ INVISO ] Put spoilers here, instead of making them a bright white that is easily readable. Remove the spaces within the brackets. [ /INVISO ]


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Thank you for the reminder.  I used to do this but it's been years since I needed it so I forgot the procedure.  Obviously this is a potential major twist so I suggest anyone responding also do so in this manner to avoid spoilerage.
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Posted: 17 April 2019 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Bob: Along with IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE.

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As a child in England I saw on the BBC a short film about a man who was shown how the world would be had he never been born. Decades later I saw IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE for the “first time” and realized that “short film” was the last half hour (or less) of that movie.

Don’t watch GoT, tho.

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Posted: 17 April 2019 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Septa Unella sure gave a whole lotta angels their their wings whilst ministering to Cersei.
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The inviso theory above about the Night King's identity has been debunked by showrunners.  I'm still hoping that the Night King wins and this goes down as the most depressing TV show ending in history.
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Posted: 19 April 2019 at 8:22am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Scene with Tyrion, Cersei, and ...Elmo?

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Steven, I have had my doubts from the start but it is amazing how fan rumors and theories persist (this one for years).  The Night King's status as the ultimate villain of what is arguably one of the most popular shows in cable history is also tied to his status as an enigma; we know surprisingly little of his origins, beliefs, character or true motives (he's not much of a talker!) and yet he's a pretty scary fellow. 

An argument can be made that the mystery surrounding him adds a layer of mystique.  Still I wouldn't mind knowing just a bit more. 


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We know the children of the forest created the white walkers and the Night King in an earlier war, but how things went so awry from there remains elusive to me.  

Another question: there are white walkers and the Night King but there are also apparently sub-leaders of specific white walker groups.  One such sub-leader was killed with dragon glass last season and when he went down, his whole group of dozens of white walkers also instantly went down (though one, strangely, did not; I've wondered whether that one walker surviving wasn't part of a preplanned gambit by the Night King to trap Jon Snow etal and lure the dragons into position so that he could turn at least one, which he did.  For various reasons, that seems likely in hindsight.)   How are the white walkers controlled?  It seems like the Night King has ultimate control.  So if you kill the Night King will all white walkers go down? 

If so, that would suggest the Night King should really lay way back since while he is highly powerful, he also represents the greatest vulnerability to the white walkers.  The Night King is somewhat protected behind the hordes of white walkers when Jon Snow arrives but he doesn't seem to be shying away when the battle is joined and the dragons attack.


I suspect the books go deeper than the show has gone in explaining the Night King's history and nature but it would be nice to know a little more of the context and backstory behind the climactic showdown all the characters are barrelling towards.  If GOT doesn't address it I suspect the prequel will.
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Posted: 19 April 2019 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

About the video Michael linked to....

Funny, but so bizarre. It's actually from Sesame Street. I mean, what parent is letting their preschool child watch "Game of Thrones"? 
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Hypothetical question: If you were in love and having sex with someone as beautiful as Danaerys and found out she was your aunt would you stop? Because not sure I would. Especially in a family where incest is encouraged to keep the dragon blood line pure.

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They pretty much confirmed what we've suspected (taking out the Night King would take out all of the white walkers) and that he would therefore likely hang back.   It will be interesting to see how they strategize reaching the Night King; so far their preparations look more designed to stave off the initial frontal assault (that collapsing bridge seems intended to dump the first wave into a pit of boiling oil).  The conjecture about how dragon fire will affect the Night King suggests the remaining dragons will be front and center though I suspect that approach won't work.  (Nor will the defenses work against the turned dragon.) Still, they might use a dragon to ferry Dany and Jon and others behind the lines to try to get at The Night King. 

I've heard complaints about the lack of action in the first two episodes but I've quite enjoyed most of the character interactions and "bits."  With the battle underway in the next episode, I fear we may not have that many personal moments left going forward as this show's fights tend to be furious and quite involved.  The four remaining episodes will surely allow some respites / breaths interspersed with the shock and awe but even assuming the good guys win and we get a decent post portem / resolution to GOT question, things are going to fly fast and we really are very near the wistful end.


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Hypothetical question: If you were in love and having sex with someone as beautiful as Danaerys and found out she was your aunt would you stop? Because not sure I would. Especially in a family where incest is encouraged to keep the dragon blood line pure.

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Given that Jon's first response was "Ned Stark lied to me!" and Dany's first response was "I have a competing claim to the Iron Throne!", either an aunt-nephew relationship is not that big a deal in Westeros, or they have really messed up priorities. Or both!
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Bran keeping Jaime's secret has me trying to recall something:

Catelyn Stark figured out that Bran was pushed off the tower because he spotted Cersei and Jaime together, yes? But she didn't share that with anyone other than Robb?
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As I recall, nobody every knew what happened exactly when Bran fell from the tower. Most just assumed he slipped and didn't know about the fact that he was pushed. Catelyns investigation of the matter was more about uncovering the owner of the dagger from the assassin who was sent in to kill him when it became clear he wasn't going to die from his injuries. I'm pretty sure that the only people who know the truth about Bran being pushed are Bran, Jaime and Cersei.

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As I recall, nobody every knew what happened exactly when Bran fell from the tower. Most just assumed he slipped and didn't know about the fact that he was pushed. Catelyns investigation of the matter was more about uncovering the owner of the dagger from the assassin who was sent in to kill him when it became clear he wasn't going to die from his injuries.

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Maybe I'm thinking of Ned. He put two and two together and figured out that Bran was pushed out the window because he saw Jaime and Cersei together. He obviously didn't tell anyone.
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Jamie’s secret died with Kat.

And I’m betting the Night King (and Viserion) aren’t at Winterfell....


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Next episode... the hammer drops at Winterfell. I don't expect all of our favorites to survive the episode.
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Fortunately, women, children, dwarfs and fat guys will be safe in the crypts. Extraordinarily safe. No need to worry about any of them at all.
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 Rick Senger wrote:
...I've heard complaints about the lack of action in the first two episodes but I've quite enjoyed most of the character interactions and "bits." ...

The calm before the storm.

I also have enjoyed the character bits. It seems to me most seasons have had these "quiet" episodes before a big action one, in any event.

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Fuck yeah, Arya!
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A suitably monumental episode.

Sometimes when a show tries to go epic, the emotional investiture gets lost in the mix, especially if you're looking at CGI constructs, but dang, if I didn't care about the well being of those dragons as much as anything else! Really got a little tense when the dead were piling on Daenerys' dragon.
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The most expensive battle scene ever put on film and what we saw was... mostly darkness, smash cut editing and shaky cam? The director dropped the ball on this one. They should've gotten Neil Marshall ("Battle of the Bastards" director) for this one.

Plot-wise, I thought it was really fan-service stuff like it has always been since they advanced from the books. Not one really important character dies (Jorah and Theon were dead men walking three seasons ago already and Lady Mormont is tertiary) and deus ex machinas all over the place.

Still, the connection I feel with these characters is so strong that I still obviously enjoyed it (go Arya!).

Also, what's next? Battle Cersei for the Iron Throne? Feels like small potatoes compared to the White Walker/Certain Doom scenario we just had.
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