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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 March 2019 at 10:52am | IP Logged | 1
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The “fad” aspect of “Batman” should not be overlooked. The series started in early 1966 as a mid-season replacement show. “Batmania” exploded across the Nation, and the Network eagerly renewed the show for another twice-a-week season. Only to see ratings plummet as the momentary magic wore off. A third season was ordered, but cut to once a week. So, in terms of air time, the Caped Crusader really only got two full seaons. Yet, the myth persist. “Batman” is remembered as a huge hit—which even to this day continues to color some approaches to superheroes—while the original STAR TREK, with three full seasons, is remembered as a flop.
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Bob Simko Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 21 March 2019 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | 2
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I have to go along with the whole "they're impenetrable" angle. The movies actually made me curious to pick up a few books (via Comixology)...and they were unreadable...no sense, no flow...no idea WTF was supposed to be going on.
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Christopher Frost Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 March 2019 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | 3
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It's also worth noting the different entertainment options that exist in this day and age. Comics have a lot more things to compete with for the audiences attention and dollars. Things like video games pull a lot of attention away from other things like reading and so forth. Ask the average kid if he'd rather play GTA or read the latest issue of Spider-Man and most of them would go for the game. Back in the sixties, there were fewer options around so things like comics had a greater presence in the lives of children. Cheap, easily accessible and not much else to do at that age drove interest and sales.
Batman, for all the shows various faults and misconceptions it generated, did manage to briefly capture the attention of tv viewers and made a lasting cultural impact that still hasn't fully gone away. While the last decade of Marvel movies have been very successful in terms of box office, they haven't made the same level of impact culturally or in regards to increased sales on the books. The last time I can remember comic stores really benefiting from a movie release was back in 1989 when the first Tim Burton Batman film hit and kicked off another wave of Batmania.
As for The Walking Dead, it does pretty well for an independent title but it really shines with regards to the tpb sales. It dominates the tpb charts and sells well in that format both in comic stores, internet sites like Amazon and through bookstores. The popularity of the show is certainly a huge factor in people checking it out. However, TWD seems to be an anomaly as that kind of attention/sales symbiosis doesn't seem to carry over to anything else these days.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 March 2019 at 8:57pm | IP Logged | 4
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This probably sums it up best.
Difficulty finding comics and/or the dissimilarity between them and the hit films may be factors today. But it's also true that in 1979, DC was hoping for and expecting a big Batman-style sales bump from the Superman movie, and nothing of any consequence materialized. Looking at the statements of ownership data collected here, the sales of Superman went up moderately in 1979 (from 223,000 to 246,000) while the sales of Action dropped that same amount (from 183,000 to 160,000). So no net gain in sales on the two flagship Superman titles. In like manner, Wonder Woman doesn't seem to have benefited from her TV show, with sales of 150,000 in 1975 and 1976, and 151,954 in 1977.
Is there any instance in comics history aside from Batman in 1966 in which comics have had a significant sales increase attributable to success of a character in other media?
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 21 March 2019 at 9:07pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 March 2019 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | 5
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Significant being the key word, no.
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Eric Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
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Something to note of WATCHMEN, THE WALKING DEAD, and even the 60's BATMAN: All were produced by consistent teams--one writer (for the first two, but certainly a single continuity/style for BATMAN), one artist (for the most part), one format, numbering that makes sense, no major contradictions with the adaptations (at first glance at least). Same goes for manga/anime. I don't know if there's any proof that SUPERMAN sales spiked at all during the run of the George Reeves TV show, but I do know that the sales were very high during that time, and certainly a fan of the TV show would not be unpleasantly surprised by anything he saw in the comic.
But, as Steve De Young lists above, none of the Marvel big guns (Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, or even the roster of the Avengers) were even the same people in the comics during the 10-year period the movies with those characters were making billions of dollars and making millions of new fans. And, while DC wisely brought back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen in time for their movie/TV show premieres, they do seem to be going out of their way to make sure that they have multiple versions of the same characters confusingly running around at the same time. (The Superman of the movies does not really match the TV Superman of SMALLVILLE or SUPERGIRL, and they don't match the animation, and none of them match the married father of the comics. And you can say pretty much the same about Batman, the Flash, Aquaman, etc.)
It could be said that this is the Golden Age of Promotion for these characters we love, as their movies and TV shows have been embraced by society at large. Yet, with all this free publicity, Marvel and DC Comics have dropped the ball and missed a gigantic opportunity that may not last or ever come again.
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