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David Allen Perrin
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https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-marvels-plans-for-disney-coul d-include-an-anim-1833231667

Oooh...intriguing!


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Heck, half the stuff Marvel puts in the comics (and movies for that matter) these days is more off-book and unlikely than "What If" ever was...so it's not like it's going to hurt.

Finally get that live action Forbush Man I've always wanted?  
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Well, in this case it would be animated Forbush Man....

Disney+ is going to make me drop Netflix I suspect.
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Some time ago, I wrote a post in which I compared premises from back issues of What If? with then-current and recent plotlines in the comics themselves. That was a fun exercise. 

The fact that so many of those were eventually realized in the main stories themselves has me wondering what current plotlines would have looked like back in the day had they been done as single issues of What If? Like... What If Peter Parker became a multimillionaire playboy? What If... every Spider-Man from every universe met every other Spider-Man? What If... Doctor Octopus were the New Spider-Man? 

One that I find particularly fun to conjure with is the potential four-story issue on Cyclops, similar to the structure of What If? 15 starring Nova. What If Cyclops Became... Phoenix? ... a murderous Black Ops agent? ... a teenager (again)? ... Dead? 

I don't see myself ever subscribing to these ever-increasing splinter networks and quickly becoming a grumpy old man who never knows what these new programs are that everyone is talking about. Still, it would be fun to check out episodes of What If? over at someone else's house someday. I did love that comic back when it was being published. 

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@Brian:

Yes, I remember your post, although I don't think I replied to it at the time!

I wanted to ask JB what his thoughts were on 'What If'. Was it a good way for writers to scratch an itch and tell stories that otherwise couldn't be told, or did it set a dangerous precedent BY telling the stories, so that they somehow worked themselves into the Marvel Universe proper?

I think that your post probably proved it's the latter! :)
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I wanted to ask JB what his thoughts were on 'What If'. Was it a good way for writers to scratch an itch and tell stories that otherwise couldn't be told, or did it set a dangerous precedent BY telling the stories, so that they somehow worked themselves into the Marvel Universe proper?

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Yes.

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Mr. Brake - avoid asking Mr. Byrne "either-or" questions. He doesn't like "either-or" questions. You wouldn't like him when he gets "either-or" questions.

Actually, I've always seen a "yes" answer. Just pose your straight forward question.

IMO, I would probably say that both aspects of your question are so. But it took a lot of writers who couldn't be original to read the original "What If-" books to have to get their story ideas.
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More Marvel paired with Disney animation is okay by me!



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More Marvel paired with Disney animation is okay by me!

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Yes, sweet -- but creating movies into which audiences cannot walk "cold". I like the "imaginary story" motif, but they DO demand fairly extensive knowledge of the "real" backstory.

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I liked WHAT IF at least part of the time. (Great variance in quality from issue to issue.)

What I hated was Marvel's decision later on to make every WHAT IF story part of the Marvel Multiverse. And to give every universe a number.

Marvel is supposed to be different than DC! I love DC having a multiverse (again)! Marvel shouldn't have one! (Fine, the Squadron Supreme gets "Earth-S." But that should be IT.)

Even possible far futures get numbered. The original version of the Guardians of the Galaxy are on Earth-some-number.

(OK, admission, I liked the multiverse story in the recent Marvel 2-in-1 series with the Thing and the Torch. There can be exceptions. Just don't number the f*cking Earths and don't use them again!)
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Marvel’s “prime” Earth is 616. I’m SURE it’s just a coincidence that that’s the Number of the Beast in some versions of the Bible.
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Though usually credited to Alan Moore, Alan Davis reportedly said that previous "Captain Britain" writer for Marvel's UK line came up with the designation number for the Marvel Universe because Dave Thorpe "wasn't a fan of the modern superhero genre" and expressed this in his stories, "such as recording his opinion of the Marvel Universe with the designation 616.

So, basically the number given to the "real" Marvel Universe was given by someone who had disdain for it and the genre.

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More Marvel paired with Disney animation is okay by me!

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I'm pretty sure that Disney won't be handling the animation on this series. Marvel Animation will most likely be handling the animation on this series, not Disney.
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@Eric and JB:

Apologies, and rephrased:

What are your views of the pros and cons of the What If? concept?
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Shooter once asked “If these ‘imaginary stories’ are so good, why weren’t they told before?” Ironically, he the went on to do perhaps the best WHAT IF?, the Iron Avengers in #3.

Shooter’s question was silly, of couse. There’s always a good reason to explore alternate versions of a tale—provided those alternates are well thought out and not, say, “What if Sgt Fury fought WW2 in outer space?” (Two issues it took for the book to skid off the rails!)

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 Adam Schulman wrote:
What I hated was Marvel's decision later on to make every WHAT IF story part of the Marvel Multiverse. And to give every universe a number.

Marvel is supposed to be different than DC!


The numbering came later, but the "multiverse" notion was there from the beginning. Oddly enough, the point of doing it that way was to be different from DC. DC had "imaginary stories;" Marvel had "alternate realities."

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@JB:

To my embarrassment, I didn't know Jim Shooter wrote #3 - for some reason, I thought it was Roy Thomas!

There were some fine stories in What If - too many to name them all, but, in the first series, I particularly enjoyed the story of Gwen Stacy surviving, your take on the powerless Fantastic Four, and Mordo as the disciple of the Ancient One. The second series had some decent stories too - what if the alien costume had possessed Spider-Man, the Punisher hunting corrupt cops, and the Fantastic Four all gaining the same power.
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I'll admit it: My favorite WHAT IF? story was actually a one-page WHAT THE?!

"What If Dr. Strange was an Ordinary Magician?"
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My favorite from #34, the humor issue, was "What If Marvel Comics teamed with the National Endowment for the Arts to create 'Spidey Intellectual Stories'?" Spider-Man vs. the Mad Thinker arguing the tenets of the Thinker's latest plan to rule the world through fear. "Fear? But what of Love?" argues Spidey. "Surely you must agree with Spinoza that 'Man is a social animal..." and on and on. So much fun to imagine a Marvel Universe in which points are debated until the villain simply admits defeat. 

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DC had "imaginary stories;" Marvel had "alternate realities."

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Not after "Flash of Two Worlds." Earth-Two, Earth-Three, Earth-S, Earth-X, Earth-Prime, etc.
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Both companies had a number of parallel Earths, e.g. Marvel's Earth-A, Earth-S, Earth-X, et al. 

I believe Dave was compared Marvel's "alternate realities" with DC's "imaginary stories" as the means by which the two companies were able to tell stories that contradicted established lore and were therefore "impossible" otherwise. 

Marvel's "What If's" fit comfortably within its pantheon of parallel Earths, whereas DC's "imaginary stories" are something very much different than what their parallel worlds are. DC mainly used its parallel worlds to house its newly acquired properties from other companies (thus conveniently explaining why we hadn't seen them up 'til now) or for very specific story purposes, such as to introduce an evil counterpart to the JLA. These worlds did not depend on "divergence points" or feature the known characters in new, unfamiliar circumstances. Usually they housed different characters entirely.

The introduction of parallel Earths didn't slow or stop the flow of imaginary stories. If anything, it increased them, since imaginary tales were a Weisinger editorial office concept and parallel worlds were more of a Schwartz office thing. Competition between the two for the readers' attention by telling "impossible" or "different" stories was constant, and each used their favored set-ups to tell those tales. 


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First storyline announced!

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