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Andy Mokler Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 5:17am | IP Logged | 1
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Recently picked up this TPB and just finished reading it. I enjoyed it quite a bit but it brings up the question of Superman and magic(again). In this instance it is written that Superman has a unique vulnerability to magic.
I was under the impression that he was just as susceptible to magic as humans but this makes it sound as if he is more so. Also, would a vampire's bite be consider a magical act or a physical act? I'd imagine that a vampire's teeth would break before penetrating Superman's skin(kind of like Baron Blood biting into Cap's chain mail).
Second, was this panel:
Robotman's strength is on par with Superman's? That seems way too powerful. If they could just make robots that strong, why wouldn't they do just that?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 6:10am | IP Logged | 2
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Funny—that’s what editors used to be for.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 3
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Like if you cast a spell that does the same type and amount of damage as a bullet, would it affect Superman and a human standing next to him the same way (Superman reduced to human level), or hurting the human and bouncing off Superman's chest?
I found this weakness to magic confusing most often.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 18 February 2019 at 8:47am
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 8:58am | IP Logged | 4
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To add to my previous post, you could say the magic bullet does the same damage as a regular bullet (the magic part in the equation is the caster didn't have to go buy a real bullet, him being able to summon the attack is what makes it magic).
Or you could say it damages the human normally but does x10 damage to Superman, or x200 damage to Superman
There would still have to be a threshold of damage before it actually hurt Superman.
Or it applies full damage as if Superman were a human.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 9:30am | IP Logged | 5
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Superman is vulnerable to magic in the same way we’re ALL vulnerable to magic. Magic defies the laws of physics. This is the same kind of confusion we see in writers who think coating something in lead renders it INVISIBLE to Superman. (I addressed that nonsense in my Joker story.)
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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 10:24am | IP Logged | 6
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" (I addressed that nonsense in my Joker story.)"-JB
You addressed that nonsense wonderfully in your Joker story.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 11:55am | IP Logged | 7
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To add to my previous post, you could say the magic bullet does the same damage as a regular bullet (the magic part in the equation is the caster didn't have to go buy a real bullet, him being able to summon the attack is what makes it magic).
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This would affect Superman in the same way a regular bullet would.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | 8
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Well I was trying to come up with the proper conclusion, which I think is:
-The bullet does not get bonus damage vs Superman -Superman still gets his resistance to bullets -Any change in those two are barely noticeable, but something like Shazam's lightning in Kingdom come would be more noticeable because it is way more powerful, even though Superman is still resistant to lightning.
-Just to be safe, Superman should use his super speed to dodge it, in this way he is not affected at all.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 February 2019 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 9
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No. If a magician used magic to propel a normal bullet, it would bounce off. If it was, on the other hand, literally a MAGIC bullet, it could potentially kill Superman.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Crucifer is such a cool name.
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 8:55am | IP Logged | 11
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RE: Superman and magic. I think people look at it backwards. "He's Superman... but a magic lightning bolt can knock him for a loop!:
Turn it around. A lightning bolt, magical or not, will hurt any normal human. A magical lightning bolt will ALSO hurt Superman... but a regular lightning bolt won't affect him at all.
Exactly as Mr. Byrne notes... magic affect Superman the way it affects everything else. Its specialty is that other things don't affect Superman. Like ultrasonics, for example.
Geez, that seems kinda Captain Obvious... but it seems that some folks don't get it. So excuse me if you think I'm explaining what to you seems obvious. It may not be to everyone.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 8:59am | IP Logged | 12
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So excuse me if you think I'm explaining what to you seems obvious. It may not be to everyone.•• Sadly, I think this is something MOST people don't get.
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