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Sergio Saavedra Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 August 2007 Location: Spain Posts: 451
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 11:48am | IP Logged | 1
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It's not a Pope problem. It's not a Catholic problem. It's an organized religion problem.####################### I'm not sure it is an organized religion problem. At least in my country we have heard of a number of cases of teachers, instructors, counsellors, etc. And I've read about cases in all kind of institutions related to children: boy scouts, YMCA, out-of-home care, residential institutions, sports groups, recreation groups, and so on. (One might intuitively conclude that there is a connection between celibacy and an increased risk, but I do not know.)
Of course, the main problem is the abuse itself, but the way these institutions react can alleviate or aggravate the problem. If there were an abuser in an arts centre in my street, that fact should not be detrimental to the arts centre itself, nor to arts centres in general. But if that centre's director discouraged parents to go to the authorities and failed to take any measures other than perhaps sending the abuser to a different centre, well, the situation is quite different.
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 January 2014 Location: United States Posts: 4789
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 2
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Marc, are you saying that I went hypocritical by "mostly homosexual"? By "mostly homosexual", I meant that most the crimes I have heard of have been men seducing young boys... homosexual by definition.
If you want to play semantics, we can do that. But the upshot is that these are crimes against everyone. These are men who are trusted to be upright, good citizens, men of faith and respect, who will guide, teach and help their congregants - especially the young.
In my religion, Judaism, I don't hear about this happening. Now, we don't have alter boys or anything like that (or at least, not that I'm aware of!) But this happens everywhere, and I'm sure that there are rabbis (and ministers, imams, etc.) who violate their promises to the Lord to protect children and their flock.
I suppose I could have resisted, if the two things had much to do with each other.
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Paul Kimball Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2163
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | 3
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Hi Eric, No joke intended in my last post. As Marc said earlier, unless you refer to men raping women as heterosexual crime(and I've never heard anyone do this before) then referring to men raping little boys as homosexual crimes seems wrong. It's pedophilia not homosexuality.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 09 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1356
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | 4
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Is there an argument going around that there are straight men sexually abusing these boys?
Edited by Thomas Woods on 19 February 2019 at 10:39pm
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Paul Kimball Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | 5
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Not that I'm aware of Thomas, I think it's being done by pedophiles( this post should come with an asterisk noting it's the snarkiest post I've every made here, apologies.)
Edited by Paul Kimball on 20 February 2019 at 2:31am
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 10:45pm | IP Logged | 6
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It's pedophilia not homosexuality.
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I don't see how your base sexual preference can be disconnected with a pedophilia urge. To me they would have to go hand in had, if you are straight male you are going to go after young girls, if you are bi sexual you will go after both, if you are gay you will go after boys.
Unless it is possible to have an innocence, and corrupting innocence sex drive. It is not the sex, but the vulnerability they are after.
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Paul Kimball Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | 7
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Thomas, I'll have to do some research as perhaps I'm wrong but to my mind I think of pedophiles as an "other" group.
In other words, I'm heterosexual myself however I have 0 underlying urge to have sex with a child. I'm no more attracted to young girls than I'm am to young boys than I am to animals or light fixtures.
I'm thinking of how men in prison sometimes are straight in the outside world but while in prison rape men, not because they're attracted to them but because it's about power.
Maybe I'm wrong. I'll cease posting on this until I have thought about it a little more.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 10:56pm | IP Logged | 8
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I'm thinking of how men in prison sometimes are straight in the outside world but while in prison rape men, not because they're attracted to them but because it's about power.
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From what I hear, this does happen. Not sure if they are being truthful about though, like maybe something that was hidden in them comes out and they are really attracted, but to keep the tough guy look they say it's about power and making them my bitch.
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Paul Kimball Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 11:01pm | IP Logged | 9
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I really think that's what rape is always about even between a man and a woman, not about sexual attraction but about "looking tough" having power and control over someone.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | 10
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Thomas, I'll have to do some research as perhaps I'm wrong but to my mind I think of pedophiles as an "other" group.
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Yes, this is the current medical and psychological consensus.
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Consensus now exists that pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation, not something that develops in someone who is homosexual or heterosexual. Some people with pedophilic urges are also attracted to adults, and may act only on the latter urges. Because people with pedophilic urges tend to be attracted to children of a particular gender, they are sometimes described in the literature as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual pedophiles. Roughly 9% to 40% of pedophiles are homosexual in their orientation toward children — but that is not the same as saying they are homosexual. Homosexual adults are no more likely than heterosexuals to abuse children. |
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2019 at 11:28pm | IP Logged | 11
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Isn't part of it that they feel intimidated with same age relationships and don't want to grow up? That with a child they can be sure that they are the superior half and have more control, control as a mentor rather than a boss? Like Micheal Jackson seems this way more than someone who wants to get rough and abuse.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 February 2019 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | 12
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I don't know how accurate this guy is on history, but he does a good job speaking like he does when he rants against the Catholic Church. An entertaining listen just under 9 minutes. From 8 years ago.
I believe he is also an Atheist
Is Satan A Catholic?
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