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Thomas Woods
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I wonder how many American people had similar thoughts
towards Muslims after 911?
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What about Muslims having similar thoughts?
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Tim O Neill
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Thank you for speaking truth to the heart of the matter, Wallace.
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Neil Lindholm
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Jason Scott
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I'm surprised nobody's brought up Mark Whalberg in all this. There's someone who actually did act on his racism when younger and actually commited hate crimes. But because it's so long in the past, so many folks seem to shrug their shoulders and go on letting him get paid millions of dollars.
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Philip Obaza
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Trevor Noah's thoughts on this, I thought, were pretty spot on.
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Greg Kirkman
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Yeah, that sounds about right. The context of it is important.
He hadn't set up an interview specifically to disclose this episode from his past. He wasn't on a talk show trying to have a discussion about race-relations. He casually mentioned it during an interview to promote his new film. Almost as if it was just an anecdote which he assumed wouldn't upset anyone.
His intentions may well have been good--admitting this past misdeed and expressing remorse for it, and using the experience to get into character for his film--, but his methodology in disclosing it was wrong.
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Andrew Bitner
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The interview was in the context of a movie about a man who was driven to revenge. COLD PURSUIT is about a guy who drives a snow plow and seeks vengeance on some bad guys.
From what I'd heard, Neeson gave this anecdote by way of saying he had some experience with wanting vengeance-- in this case for either a relative or close friend who'd been attacked and hurt. He went out looking to hurt some random innocent in turn but never did it.
I'm not going to excuse what he did or what was in his heart when he set out to wreak havoc on some unsuspecting innocent. But part of this thread has been about questioning why he would dredge up this anecdote-- and the interview provided the opening to do just that.
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John Byrne
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Provided the opening? Like he’s spent all these years wishing for the right opportunity to show what a racist ass he was?
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Michael Penn
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Is it at all credible that Mr. Neesom's purported one-time-only maniacal wish to murder[!] an innocent[!] Black "bastard"[!] arose solely because of his friend's rape?
You've got to be taught To hate and fear, You've got to be taught From year to year, It's got to be drummed In your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made, And people whose skin is a different shade, You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late, Before you are six or seven or eight, To hate all the people your relatives hate, You've got to be carefully taught!
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Andrew Bitner
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Maybe better to say that the interview sparked this recollection. Doesn't mean he should have brought it up.
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John Byrne
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I don’t agree that we are taught to hate and fear. I think evolution takes care of that. DESTROY WHATEVER ISN’T US!!What we have to learn is NOT to do that.
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Greg Kirkman
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We’re killers, but we won’t kill today. That’s all it takes.
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Andrew Bitner
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I think that our hates and fears are sometimes targeted by the beliefs of our elders, but the underlying drive is, as JB notes, an evolutionary one over which we must exercise control.
In grad school, I learned the prevailing theory of criminality (as of 2001) was that a combination of weak internal and external controls make one more likely to commit crimes. Some people never develop inhibitions against doing the wrong thing, and even strong external controls (such as seeing cops nearby) do not make up for what the person doesn't have inside.
Edited by Andrew Bitner on 13 February 2019 at 12:31pm
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John Byrne
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I think back once again to a humorous essay in THE SKEPTICAL INQUIRER. The premise was that scientists had accidentally proven God does not exist, and the effect this had on the world. One instance was the man from Texas who had not murdered his wife because of his fear of God. Now he didn’t do it because of his fear of the Texas State Correctional Institution.
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Steve De Young
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I think JB is right about evolutionary instincts. Tribalism is In there deep. And that seems to be at the core of Neeson's response. Someone from this other tribe/group harmed someone from my tribe/group, so now I take revenge against a member of that tribe/group. This is pretty much how every blood feud and war in history began.
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