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Steve De Young
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You know, he could have told all this and left the racial element out, too.  If he did feel some need to unburden himself, he could have just said that after his friend was raped, for several nights he hung around outside of pubs hoping violence might break out and he could vent his rage.

Had he framed it in that way, I think the reaction would have been very different.
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Or if he wanted to start a conversation on how easily one can be caught up in racial animosity, he could have addressed head-on how painful his revelation would be to black people and what steps he has taken to make amends. 
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He was talking about how terrible things happen with revenge and how it ruins everything. Using it as an example, and he was clearly ashamed of it. Since it is the theme of his upcoming film. 
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There is no way to talk around his stated intent to target an innocent, random Black person.
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Saw a headline that Men in Black fans are insisting he
be digitally removed from the upcoming movie.
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It was forty years ago. Shouldn't people be calling for him to be digitally removed from just about everything he's been in?

Is it just that Orwell coined the phrase, "unperson," that makes this process (has it recently been carried out against some actor?) seem sinister rather than silly?
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Removing him from a movie would be purely a market issue.  If the studio is worried about the movie being boycotted due to his presence, they'll remove him.  If they think there's no threat of boycott or that his presence will benefit box office despite the controversy, they'll leave him in.

This isn't a new thing.  Hundreds of actors have been left on the cutting room floor in the history of cinema for a variety of reasons.


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It was forty years ago.

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Is there a statute of limitations on hate?

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Is it just that Orwell coined the phrase, "unperson," that makes this process (has it recently been carried out against some actor?) seem sinister rather than silly?

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Kevin Spacey's footage as J. Paul Getty in ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD was reshot with Christopher Plummer in light of the numerous accusations of sexual assault on Spacey's part. He continues to exist in all his previous movies. No Orwellian concerns are warranted with regard to Spacey.
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There's all this concern about celebrities being 'blacklisted' or banished as if they're somehow being oppressed.  Liam Neeson has made untold millions of dollars playing pretend on film.  He's been paid that rather ridiculous sum of money because people have enjoyed watching him do it, and have voluntarily paid money to go see him on screen.  If he says or does something that causes people to not want to see him on screen anymore, then that's that.  His movies won't do well at the box office, and so studios will stop casting him.  And he can go retire on his pile of money.

I mean, those who are so worried about him becoming an 'unperson' for saying the wrong thing...what...should movie studios be forced to cast him?  Should people be forced to pay to see his movies?
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40 years ago

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I don't know what age that puts him at, but I will agree
that things I was doing in my late teens and early 20's
was completely out of ignorance.
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I don't know what age that puts him at, but I will agree that things I was doing in my late teens and early 20's was completely out of ignorance.

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But do you feel the need to tell us about them? Or are you content to leave them in the Past, where they belong?

This is what I keep coming back to WHY TALK ABOUT IT???

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No I really don't want to, and he shouldn't have.
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It was forty years ago.

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Is there a statute of limitations on hate?

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Put that way, I'm inclined to say, "Yes," if the other option is that hate should last forever, that there is no such thing as forgiveness.

But that wasn't what I was saying. What I was saying was that it happened forty years ago, so the actor in THE GREY was the fellow out looking to beat up a black man. What is the difference between that and MEN IN BLACK: INTERNATIONAL? It's that we've pretty much all made our decision on whether to watch TAKEN already, when we didn't know. I can decide not to buy KRULL, since he is in it, but that is less of a loss in that I have already seen KRULL. Plus, I don't think Neeson would get anything more if I did buy KRULL, which is the second point: I don't know Neeson's contract for MIB, but it's a safe guess that he's already gotten paid, so the only punishment is not being one of the name draws added to a genre franchise. The call to remove him from MIB is not a moral one, it is to avoid the personal moral choice of what one thinks of Neeson and how one feels about watching him act as a person he isn't.
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 QUOTE:
This is what I keep coming back to WHY TALK ABOUT IT???

Perhaps he's living out some version of "The Tell-Tale Heart"?

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What's the big deal? He's telling a story of something that happened years and years ago. It doesn't put him in flattering light, but he's clearly admitting his wrongs. 
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I usually avoid commenting in threads focusing on politics, religion and/or race
since in some ways this forum provides me with a break from the daily barrage
of negativity surrounding those things.

That said… The mental gymnastics some people will go through in order to not
just excuse Liam Neeson's actions, but laud them, are astounding. And
make no mistake; this is not about Neeson's thoughts, but his words and
actions.

The second question Neeson asked the victim about the attacker was the color
of his skin. Think about all of the questions not asked before he went to
that one.

Still don't get it?

According to Neeson himself, he actually went out looking for an excuse to kill
an innocent Black man. Neeson was hunting human prey, and any
imagined slight from a Black man would have led to that person's death.

I know. I know. - It happened forty years ago. It’s done. Get over it.

No. That same mindset - the one that allows a person to hold an entire race
accountable for the purported criminal actions of one - continues to
result in the deaths of People of Color today.

And as for those who seem to suggest that having something tragic happen to
a friend excuses Neeson’s actions…

I wonder if they have really considered what that would mean for a people
whose history is filled with hundreds of years of abductions, beatings,
breeding, disfigurement, dismemberment, lynchings, miseducation,
oppression, rapes, murders, slave labor, torture and more.
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Posted: 07 February 2019 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Thanks Wallace.
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According to Neeson himself, he actually went out looking for an excuse to kill 
an innocent Black man. Neeson was hunting human prey, and any 
imagined slight from a Black man would have led to that person's death. 
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This is the horrifying part. It may have been decades ago, but the fact that he did this at all raises serious questions about his character, both then and now.

I’d like to think that people can change, but if you’re admittedly a potential murderer—to the point of taking action beyond mere contemplation, as he did—at any point in your life, well...
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Hadn’t seen his follow-up interview on GMA, ‘till now. Take it as you will. 

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 QUOTE:
Is there a statute of limitations on hate?

For those who haven't seen it, I would recommend the film American History X which I think does a good job of exploring that question. 

It's certainly possible for even the most hateful person to have an epiphany at some point in their life where they realize their way of thinking was very wrong. But does that excuse their past behavior? Can they be ever be forgiven? 

Without going into spoilers, one of the biggest questions in American History X was whether or not the main character (Ed Norton) was redeemable. Ultimately of course, it's up to the viewer to decide.


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I wonder how many American people had similar thoughts
towards Muslims after 911?
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Well said, Wallace. 

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Joe Rogan & Sam Harris talk about it

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I usually avoid commenting in threads focusing on politics, religion and/or race since in some ways this forum provides me with a break from the daily barrage of negativity surrounding those things.

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Glad you broke your "rule" this time, Wallace. I knew you would provide one of the most succinct views from "the other side".

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