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Posted: 07 February 2019 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Did they ever try to explain how Delphine Courtney even KNEW that story, if it was “true”?
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Posted: 07 February 2019 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I've never seen or heard any explanation.

EDIT: Must have been one of the issues I missed! :)

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Did they ever try to explain how Delphine Courtney even KNEW that story, if it was “true”?

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IIRC, they said that Courtney learned it from Mac himself who she was holding prisoner.
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 4:23am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Yup. As he turned up on Earth and was found by Roxxon almost immediately, and Courtney learned it from there.

It all makes sense really ;)
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 4:58am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

That DOES make sense—except for the fatal flaw at the beginning.
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Yeah. There is that flaw.

I'm not a believer in bringing back dead characters, but...if a creator feels they need to be brought back, do it with a bit of logic (or as logical as resurrection can be).
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There are certainly better ways it might have been done.
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I was 14 when Guardian died in ALPHA FLIGHT #12 and it hit me pretty hard, not because he was a favorite of mine, but because I saw him as the anchor of one of my favorite super-hero teams.

When he was "resurrected" a year or so later, I was still young enough to be "fooled" into believing it - HOWEVER, there was SOMETHING about it that bugged me, that didn't "ring true" - which is probably just what JB intended.

The revelation that it was a Delphine Courtney plot shocked me!  But at least satisfactorily resolved all those little doubts that had been rattling around in the back of my head.

The messy morass that came after (like all things Alpha Flight/post-JB) are best left continuity-non-grata for me.

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A likely annoying question for JB: where do your ideas come from? ;-)

My real question is, how far along after killing Mac did you come up with the idea of the fake resurrection? It really was a fantastic plot twist. Was it inspired by anything?
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 9:21am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Resurrection was a cliche at Marvel, and most of them were real. I thought a fake one might make a good twist.
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Delphine Courtney was a great villain and would have been a far better choice of character to resurrect after JB's run. To my knowledge she has never reappeared.

(Begs the question, JB, that prior to the reveal in issue 12 that she is a robot, her thoughts were shared with the reader. This may have just been a ruse, but I wondered if the original intent had been for her to be human?)
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 11:19am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I went looking online for the commission of Guardian's death scene done for someone (ahem, *me!*) when I came across this guy's Instagram page - a local NY actor that does web comics for fun. Not professionally drawn, but he's got numerous Byrne homages on his page, and he's clearly a fan.

adding: it does encapsulate my experience reading this issue as well. I mean, there was no way the team leader was going to die, right? Who does that?!?


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(Begs the question, JB, that prior to the reveal in issue 12 that she is a robot, her thoughts were shared with the reader. This may have just been a ruse, but I wondered if the original intent had been for her to be human?)

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Always a robot.

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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

JB, how far in advance did you realize Mac would die?
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Early. I don’t recall exactly how far ahead, but well before the halfway point of the first year.
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I know you’ve spoken in the past of how the FF “wrote themselves.” Did you have this happen on AF? 
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

ALPHA FLIGHT is my next dig into the long boxes. It’s been WAY too long. 
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Mac died in 12. Sasquatch in 24. I wonder who would have died in 36 or if the deaths would've even continued?
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

I’m remembering a truly scalding letter I received from one fan who’d stopped reading AF12 in complete disgust when she saw it was Snowbird who was going to die.......
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

I was 98% certain it was going to be Northstar with a 2% chance of it being Marrina. Then when I was down to the last couple of pages and it was focused on Mac I knew exactly who was going to die....Heather.
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Heather would have been SUCH a cheat!!
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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 9:11pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

Storywise, Mac really was the right choice. Did you ever give any thought to eventually having Heather pull them together as a team (including making it a regular team book)? 
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I remember buying Alpha Flight #12 at the local 7-Eleven on my way to school and examining the cover again and again, going around and around the pictures of the cast in those gunsights, thinking it might be Northstar, but really, not being able to get past the fact that Mac was right there, in the closest thing to a center spot on the cover... 

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Posted: 08 February 2019 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Guardian is one of my favorite characters, so I was shocked and dissapointed that he was the one who died and happy when he was resurrected for real. That being said, in hindsight I think that Mac should have stayed dead and that maybe either Madison Jeffries (he would rely solely on his mutant powers and not a powered suit) or Roger Boche (who with the help of Madison, could have built a new and improved version of Mac's armored suit made out of living metal) should have become the new Guardian.

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Mac died in 12. Sasquatch in 24. 

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Sasquatch died in issue 23.
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