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Posted: 12 February 2019 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

How involved were they in Bishop's "creation"?

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The order came down "There must be a new X-Men character! And he must be Black!"

Lee and Portacio did the heavy lifting--taking the name, of course, from the Lance Hendrickson character in ALIENS. Another example of a character name that tells us nothing about the character.

(Sidebar: Whilce wanted Bishop to be from an "alternate future"--and not the one that sprang from "Days of Future Past". I resisted that. "We already have on alternate future, please let's not clutter the field with moe." Happily, I prevailed--perhaps my only contribution in my brief tenure.)

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JB, what did you think of Lee and Whilce’s art? I know you’ve spoken of the plot/ writing troubles you had at that time, but haven’t seen anything where you speak of their actual art. 
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I thought Bishop came from the same version of the future as Cable...?

Yet another character that kept me away from X-Men comics for many years.
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Posted: 12 February 2019 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Wouldn’t be surprised if someone did an end run on my version. Nothing succeeds like redundancy.
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About Fabian Nicieza: He was fine with corporate interference on the editorial side. Prior to becoming the writer on X-Men and working with Liefeld on New Mutants, he worked in Marvel's Advertising/Marketing department. He was a champion of cancelling New Mutants and relaunching it as X-Force.

His quitting seemed to be more about a clash with Editorial than due to corporate interference.

He talks about it in this interview, on the Epic Marvel Podcast. It's a pretty good interview, lots of insight into what was going on at Marvel during his time there.





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Posted: 12 February 2019 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

 Greg McPhee wrote:
Chris Claremont has said in interviews that knowing how things turned out with the Image exodus, he wonders if he'd played along with Bob Harris that he might have been a very valuable asset to Marvel after they all jumped ship.

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Chris is perhaps misremember. Marvel has a long history of discouraging the talent from thinking themselves important. The characters are important. The keyboard tappers and pencil pushers are... fungible.

All Chris had to do was shine on until Summer 1992, and then Bob Harras would have let him do whatever he wanted, assuming what he wanted to do was X-Cutioner's Song. 


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As a whole, Marvel really went in to a bad place in the 90's. The writers have said in many interviews that editorial were controlling the books more and more. David Michelinie, Len Kaminski, Roy Thomas and John Romita, Jr. have all talked about the toxic atmosphere at Marvel at that point. 

Romita, Jr. was fired off the X-Men circa 1993 because of editors. He discusses it in Marvel Modern Masters Vol. 18.
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Posted: 12 February 2019 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Too much quoting. Links only, please.
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Posted: 12 February 2019 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Too much quoting. Links only, please.

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Posted: 12 February 2019 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Nicieza didn’t sound all that miserable to me. 
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Certainly not as miserable as a lot of us were trying to read his X-Men comics, that's for sure. 

I'm curious if anyone else is reading the X-Men titles now, and if so, what their opinions are on the current books.
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Posted: 14 February 2019 at 5:09am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Certainly not as miserable as a lot of us were trying to read his X-Men comics, that's for sure.

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Left to his own devices away from a franchise, Nicieza is a good writer. I enjoyed his New Warriors and Nomad runs.
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We all have different jumping off points in a long running series like the X-Men but it's the same story...the shock of the realization that you don't like this anymore...the disbelief and the resisting to letting go...Mine was the Inferno storyline...My 15 year old self would think. What's wrong with ME ? i don't like it so much as I used to be. This used to be my favourite thing in the world and now it's such a chore going through 22 pages...Looking for a fault in myself. It took some months to realize the wrong thing was not with me but with the book itself...
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Left to his own devices away from a franchise, Nicieza is a good writer. I enjoyed his New Warriors and Nomad runs.

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Agreed, he's done some good stuff, just thought he was a bad fit on X-Men in my opinion. I liked New Warriors and his run on Thunderbolts.

My interest in X-Men has waxed and waned many times over the years. My only real "jumping off" point was during Brian Bendis's run. Even at that, there was enough other stuff going on that I was able to find a couple books to follow, while ignoring what was going on in the core books.
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