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Victor Perez
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Posted: 25 January 2019 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

You should 100% presume I am an idiot!!  Except that I think I am right about the identity of the Red Angel. Even an idiot is right once in a while.
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Posted: 25 January 2019 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Getting back to the new episode, I absolutely loved it and think it was probably the greatest episode of Star Trek since the glory years of DS9. It definitely benefits from the sure hand of Jonathan Frakes as director, but it was so good all around. 

I enjoyed the first season overall but wish it had been a lot more like what the second season has been. SMG is a treasure, and Anson Mount has been terrific. 

Still nervous about Spock, though.
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Posted: 25 January 2019 at 10:29pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Tyler, oh wow, totally agree. Thanks for pointing out who the director was, I missed that. Anson Mount was a brilliant choice for Pike. Interesting how DISCO Spock sounds more like DISCO Sarek more than classic Spock.
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Posted: 25 January 2019 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Yay for Pike, but a slow clap on more Spock. :^|
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Posted: 26 January 2019 at 3:48am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

This really felt like Star Trek. Loving Pike and how he is with the crew. Shaping up to be a lot better than Season 1
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Yeah, have to agree here...   It felt like classic STAR TREK in it's structure and content -- moreso than anything else I've seen on the screen (small or large) in the last 20 years.

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*The timing of the impending 'disaster' on New Eden can't be coincidental.   It seemed more like the set up for a test for what I term 'sufficently advanced tech + society':
  • There's tempting bait provided in the form of the red energy bursts and a puzzling human/human-like settlement when you arrive -- basically an irresitible honeypot for the curious.
  • It would include only those with sufficiently advanced tech to get to New Eden in the first place (spore drive).   The standard warp drive of the time doesn't cut it unless you are lucky to be close to one of the REBs.
  • It would include those with sufficient tech and lateral thinking to avert the disaster.
  • Finally, you have a sociological morality test to pass:  If you don't have the tech/smarts to avert the disaster do you attempt to save the humans but disrupt the natrual progression of their society or do you stick to your rules and let them perish.   Even more interesting -- if you do have the tech/smarts to avert the disaster but do you still do nothing and let them be destroyed?   (there's also the scenario where non-humans may be forced to choose between saving or not saving those who are not of their kind)

*Further to the first point, the 'Red Angel' may actually be an advanced form of Von Neumann probe in reverse.   If you are able to pass the test (and in particular how you answer the sociological conundrum) then you would be considered sufficiently advanced to challenge whoever designed the test in the first place and thus are an enemy to be destroyed.  

*I am utterly amazed that Super Michael wasn't the one who had previously-unknown experience in a Luddite colony.   I hope they've decided to stop giving her new super powers and arcane knowledge/skills every episode because that started to get really tedious in Season 1.  

*We see yet more unprofessional behavior from Tilly.   I kind of found these parts to be the least enjoyable aspects of the episode.  Seriously, if someone keeps disobeying orders and doing things like dangerous experiments that could endanger the ship then they should be in the brig or confined to the sick bay with a security detail watching them.   I don't care if their crazy-ass behavior saved the day -- just because an unstable person is right one time doesn't set a precedent for them being correct or on the level in the future.   Yes, there are times where the rules need to be broken but if everything you do is a broken rule then you've eliminated the point of having rules and laws in the first place.

*Anson Mount again pulls off a great performance as Pike.  We get some more background detail on him too.

*It sounded to me like Ethan Peck was trying to imitate the vocal cadence of Leonary Nimoy but his voice doesn't have the same resonant bass frequencies.   It sounded odd.   I would rather if they were going to do this new portrayal of Spock they would let the actor bring their own inflection to the part rather than ape the performance of someone who previously played the part.


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Posted: 29 January 2019 at 7:25am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Moving posts from the original Season 1 thread here so they become their own discussion.
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Posted: 29 January 2019 at 7:42am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

 Rob Ocelot wrote:
-I haven't decided if having the Enterprise sit out the entire Klingon war is a good thing or not.  A five year mission is one thing, but Kirk's five year mission didn't seem to take him all that far away from Klingon space and the Romulan Neutral Zone.   It just seems kind of... I dunno... disrespectful to the STAR TREK that has come before it.   At best it's a crappy way to prop up the importance of your current titular ship and crew by diminishing the status of another.

I don't take it as being that nefarious.  DISCOVERY had to establish itself as its own thing: universe, characters and all.  To have introduced the Enterprise in the midst of that, say six or seven episodes into the first season, would have come with huge expectations that couldn't have possibly been met.  One thing I appreciated about Season 1 was the time it took to get to know the cast and the world they inhabited, nit picks and all, while setting up Pike as the cliffhanger at the end.  

Also, given the tech at the time in terms of Warp Drive, I totally bought into the Enterprise being far enough away that it was deemed "a last resort" to bring her into the fray.  Worked for me without thinking it was done as a slight to prop up the new series.


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-I have a very bad feeling (tm) where they are going with this strained relationship between Michael and Spock.   Please, please don't let it be a romantic/sexual relationship between step-siblings.   The character of Spock deserves better.  I'm not particularly fond of Michael, but the character deserves better too.   Seriously.   Just don't.

Said the exact same thing to my wife last night after we watched the first two eps.  I'm a bigger fan of Michael than most here, but I don't want to revisit what I thought was by far the worst retcon in the Abrams reboot: the relationship between Spock and Uhura.  That's not Spock, certainly not any Spock I know.  As we see more of what's coming next, however, I have a sneaking suspicion that DISCOVERY is going to go down that path and it's one I'm decidedly not excited about.  
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Posted: 29 January 2019 at 7:59am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Have to agree with everyone here: Anson Mount as Pike is absolutely fantastic. I feel like he's the missing piece this series desperately needed in Season 1.  He works as a great bridge while bringing his own unique spin to the world.  One moment that highlights that for me is when he's in the ready room and asks why it's only standing room, to which Michael says that Lorca didn't encourage discussion.  Pike just naturally disagrees and says he wants input from his bridge crew.  Next episode we see an entirely new setting: cracked wood table surrounded by chairs and a more comfortable, inviting space. 

If CBS listens to the fans re: Pike I wouldn't be surprised to see he and his crew get a spinoff.  It's not like he can serve aboard the Discovery as Captain forever.  
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Posted: 29 January 2019 at 9:41am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

SMG was on CBS' The Talk the other day, and the ladies of the Talk specifically brought up the rumors about a Michael/Spock romance angle. SMG very adamantly shot down the rumor.
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Posted: 29 January 2019 at 10:46am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Yeah, Bruce Greenwood is a fine actor, but he never seemed like the actual Pike character to me in the Kelvin movies.  He seemed like a new character who they gave the name 'Christopher Pike' as an Easter egg.  Anson Mount, on the other hand, is very clearly portraying the same character that Jeffrey Hunter played.

I'm with Matt re: a Pike's Enterprise spinoff.
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Posted: 29 January 2019 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

...Pike’s Enterprise spinoff...

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That I might watch.

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