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Michael Roberts
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I think people are curious as to why Fury summoned her now - with no real knowledge of what was going on- instead of in the past. We, as moviegoers, know why - it's all part of the hype machine and money - but in story, what makes her crucial? What's her edge? 

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I thought this was sufficiently answered in CAPTAIN MARVEL. She was across the galaxy dealing with other stuff. Whos to say Fury hadnt tried summoning her before? The world-ending events in the previous Avengers movies occurred over the course of a day or two. Based on the tidbits weve seen, it took Carol a lot longer to respond to the page. 

Id be amused by a bonus feature on the CAPTAIN MARVEL Blu-Ray showing a montage of all the times Fury had tried summoning Carol only for her to arrive after everything was over.
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"Maybe the closest I got to this was Age of Ultron when Steve moved Mjolnir the slightest bit (and the absolutely splendid look on Thor's face!)
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I believe that Steve COULD lift the hammer at that moment.  Why would Mjolnir move "just a little" for anyone if they aren't worthy?  Is there a such thing as being 'slightly worthy'?  

Steve realized he was about to hoist that thing in the air and he stopped so he wouldn't show up his friend.

Steve is worthy...and Thor knows it.  Which is why the God of Thunder follows him into battle.




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David - surely possible. Steve Rogers is one of those who has wielded Mjolnir in the comics, so it might be Cap's worthiness in that he knew he could lift it - and DIDN'T. Why show up a god?
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Far too many people have lifted Mjolnir. If I had my druthers, the list would begin and end with Thor. If I had to choose two more people... Odin? Okay. Cap? Okay. I think that's about it.

As much as I enjoyed the Beta Ray Bill story as a kid, the fact that he was able to wield the hammer still bothered me.

Oh, I certainly don't think Vision should have been able to lift Mjolnir.
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I thought this was sufficiently answered in CAPTAIN MARVEL.

Heh. I'll most likely agree with you when I finally see it on Sunday. 
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"Oh, I certainly don't think Vision should have been able to lift Mjolnir."

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I'm absolutely with you on that point, Wallace!
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Dammit Wallace! Beta Ray Bill is awesome!!!!
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Why does her power level mater? She can do what she
can do. Is it really important to know if she's
stronger than the Hulk, faster than Thor, or more
explosively blasting than Iron Man?

YMMV, but I just watch the movies to see what they can
do, per the director. Maybe the closest I got to this
was Age of Ultron when Steve moved Mjolnir the
slightest bit (and the absolutely splendid look on
Thor's face!)

It takes me out of the movie to wonder about how
strong, how fast, how energetic a character is. (And
it's even MORE distracting, if I let it, because I
know this character for forty-odd years... I have to
prevent myself from comparing Ms. Marvel, Binary,
Warbird, and Captain Marvel!)

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To each their own. It takes 'you' out of the movie.
But many have a ton of fun growing up talking about
power levels. Who can beat who, can Wolverines claws
cut X, and so on.

I could only go on things I have seen here and there,
but really have no idea how powerful she is. The way
they have been building her up I was assuming she was
going to save the day because she is at Superman
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Are you seriously worried that a film franchise a decade in the making, one that has taken great pains in establishing itself as well as the world it inhibits, is going to shove in a character at the last moment to solve all the problems of a single film?  Seriously?  You think ENDGAME is going to be about Captain Marvel swooping in to single-handedly save the day? THAT'S what you've gleaned from the trailers?  That Marvel would shit on the characters that carried them to INFINITY WAR only to tie it up with a lame-ass denouement where a single savior comes in to wrap it all up? Really? 

Wow. You haven't been watching Marvel films if that's your take away.
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Maybe Nick Fury picked her out of everyone to signal,
because she is sitting on a bunch of marvel artifacts?
That room Thor met her in and he summoned a hammer (Not
sure what hammer)?

There could be something there that could be used
against what Thanos did.

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Dammit Wallace! Beta Ray Bill is awesome!!!!

Hey, I like Bill! I just think that the more people around who are able to lift Mjolnir, the less special it becomes.
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(Not sure what hammer)?

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It was Stormbreaker. (Well, Ultimate Mjolnir that they decided to call Stormbreaker in INFINITY WAR, but whatevs.)
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(Not sure what hammer)?

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It was Stormbreaker. (Well, Ultimate Mjolnir that they
decided to call Stormbreaker in INFINITY WAR, but
whatevs.)

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So does this mean she took his new hammer?
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Huh?  Captain Marvel didn't flinch when he threw and then retrieved his hammer.  That's what Thor liked about her.  Pretty obvious from the trailer.  Where are you getting that she took it from him?
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I didn't see a throw, will look again

Edit: Unless you saw a different one, there is no throw.
He walks in slowly and calls his hammer to him. Which
makes me think she took it in an earlier scene.

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We have seen that Thor does not need to have thrown Mjolnir for it to return... in fact, it seems an act of will on his part to summon it to his hand. Certainly he need not maintain contact with it for sixty seconds!

As for worthiness... I'm of the belief that cosmic entities superior to Odin could wield Mjolnir if they wished to for some reason. Equivalent entities might, I suppose (Ra, Zeus, etc.) As for lesser entities... you tell me what's worthy by Norse standards, and I'll agree or disagree. That might be worth a topic of its own...
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Unless you saw a different one, there is no throw. 
He walks in slowly and calls his hammer to him. Which 
makes me think she took it in an earlier scene.

I think you're reading waaay too much into a scene that was nothing more than Thor testing "the new kid" in that classic "made you flinch!" style.


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If she'd already taken the hammer, then why would he be impressed wen she didn't flinch as he called it back? Perhaps he just set it down for a bit and walked away.
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Doug gets it. 
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To Matt's point, if indeed time travel is part of Endgame, I think CM will end up being the power source which sends the team back to deal with Thanos. I agree she isn't the blunt force instrument that will give them an easy victory.

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 QUOTE:
I think you're reading waaay too much into a scene that was nothing...

This has been a Nerd Age constant. There is hours of YouTube content  extrapolating detailed head canon from six frame shots of meaningful glances. "And this is total speculation here, but maybe those little white dots in his eyes that look like reflected studio lights could be hinting at a future appearance by... The Living Tribunal?"
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I hope ENDGAME somehow ends on a joyful or uplifting note... I still remember how the audience at my afternoon opening-weekend showing of INFINITY WAR just shambled out of the theater, stunned, quiet and shell-shocked.  And I caught the first 10 minutes of said film on Netflix the other night, and was reminded of how brutal it really was.

I really hope this one is more fun, to some degree at least.  It felt like INFINITY WAR was almost a DC movie, it was so grim!



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While I suspect there will be some loss in ENDGAME, I also think it will end on a positive note for the future films to spring from.

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INFINITY WAR felt absolutely nothing like a DC movie. 
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The trailer for ENDGAME is all about hope, rising from the ashes, picking yourself up and helping the friends met along a decade-long journey.  Knowing these films and classic Marvel in general, I expect nothing less.

Agree with Miller that INFINITY WAR wasn't anything like the nihilistic DC movie universe with the notable exception of WONDER WOMAN (haven't seen AQUAMAN yet so I can't speak to that).  Not even close. That's like saying TITANIC is akin to TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE because both had a lot of people die!
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