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Tim O Neill
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The trailer is wonderful up until the end - the comedic sequence goes on too long.  Itís a rare misstep in their trailers, and it evokes the issues I had with INFINITY WAR in that it is playing to the hardcore fans.  

I love both Ant Man movies, but Scott Lang doesnít fold easily into the Avengers for me.  CIVIL WAR was on the other night, and I love the movie so I stopped surfing onto it even though I have the film on the shelf!  The scene where Lang meets Captain America fell flatter than I remember.



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Is this Thor based on the Ultimates version?

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No. Ultimate Thor was an environmental activist with a band of groupie hippies.

There were three Ultimates influences that I'm aware of in the Thor movies.

- People believing that Thor was delusional for claiming that he was the Norse god in the first movie.
- The sequence where Loki appears in illusion to Thor while he's being held in the SHIELD base camp was similar to a scene in the ULTIMATES.
- The design of Stormbreaker in INFINITY WAR is based on Ultimate Mjolnir.
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And thatís my only complaint. I wish Stormbreaker was the one Odin made for Beta Ray Bill in the comics. 
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 Tim O'Neill wrote:
The trailer is wonderful up until the end - the comedic sequence goes on too long.  Itís a rare misstep in their trailers, and it evokes the issues I had with INFINITY WAR in that it is playing to the hardcore fans.  

Not quite sure I get what you mean here.  You're saying that an issue you had with INFINITY WAR was that it played to hardcore fans?  But you know that was the plan, right?  A decade in the making, the hardcore fans are the movie audience not the comic fans...right?  So whom else would they play to but the millions (billions?) that made them the success that they are?

Regardless, I thought the Ant-Man coda was brilliant given where we left off with the character: miniaturized and essentially adrift. How did he return to normal and what information does he have that could turn the tide?  It's obviously key otherwise they wouldn't have included him in the trailer at all.  Humor, yes, but story driven as well.  Perfect to me.


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I love both Ant Man movies, but Scott Lang doesnít fold easily into the Avengers for me.  CIVIL WAR was on the other night, and I love the movie so I stopped surfing onto it even though I have the film on the shelf!  The scene where Lang meets Captain America fell flatter than I remember.

Couldn't disagree more if I tried.  I loved that moment.  Thought it was genuine and totally relatable given their hierarchy in the MU.

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TAKE MY MONEY NOW!

Already booking the trip for opening weekend in LA.
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I appreciate the comedic bits in most of the MCU films. They prevent the movies from become too hyperserious and ponderous. (See: any of Zack Snyder's DECU movies.)
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Can't wait - hits all the right beats for me for sure! 
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I was not a fan of the humor in Ragnarok but I loved it in Infinity War.  I still crack up every time Thor calls Rocket rabbit.  I do miss Mjolnir, but the pirate-angel looked pretty powerful in the climax.
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Matt:  ďNot quite sure I get what you mean here.  You're saying that an issue you had with INFINITY WAR was that it played to hardcore fans?  But you know that was the plan, right?Ē

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Yes, I see that was the plan.  I know I am in the minority on this, but I have issues with the team movies - I guess I just prefer the individual character movies.  There are elements of the Avengers films that just tip the balance for me and pull me out of the world they have created.

In general, I love the humor of the Marvel films, but itís got to be used sparingly.  Everything about the Scott Lang moment hinges on seeing the film, so it already has one strike against it.  Combine that with the length of the clip, and the moment falls flat.  Itís too long for a trailer and takes up a disproportionate amount of time for such a shift in tone.  


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But that's the point, isn't it? After a minute and half of doom and gloom, they're reminding us it's not a DC movie, after all. Scott is a representation of hope for our heroes, however...small.

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Just saw the trailer, and that seemed fine. I didn't think the Paul Rudd stuff lasted any longer than it had to, and wasn't that far off in tone nearly as much as most of Ragnarok, which I liked and didn't like. The lack of an actual Valkyrie and the cheap cynicism of the one we got instead rubbed me the wrong way. I did not want to see that character redeemed. I wanted her to go down with the rest of the bad guys in that film. That everything was so ha-ha-hee-hee-oh-hey-all-of-Asgard's-dead-hyuk-hyuk-hyuk was an annoyance. Also a lost opportunity at a real character: Hela. Weird, because they cast an actress who could play her and then just let her sputter out as a Power Rangers villain. 

I don't see any of that in Rudd's request that they open the gate to someone they reasonably wouldn't recognize. I thought it worked.

Shame about Tony not having eaten for days. I'm pretty sure when he's rescued, though, that there'll be some Burger King product placement waiting for him...

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 Tim O'Neill wrote:
Yes, I see that was the plan.  I know I am in the minority on this, but I have issues with the team movies - I guess I just prefer the individual character movies.  There are elements of the Avengers films that just tip the balance for me and pull me out of the world they have created.

In general, I love the humor of the Marvel films, but itís got to be used sparingly.  Everything about the Scott Lang moment hinges on seeing the film, so it already has one strike against it.  Combine that with the length of the clip, and the moment falls flat.  Itís too long for a trailer and takes up a disproportionate amount of time for such a shift in tone.  

All of this. We're going to have to talk about all of this when next we meet.  First I've heard of this from you after having seen nearly all of the Marvel films together.  It's a more nuanced discussion than one that can occur on a message board.  
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OK, I will talk about this with you, but no hitting in the face this time!  But as usual hair pulling is allowed - that is if either of us can find any hair to pull.

To be clear, I am not saying I donít like the Avengers films.  I love the Marvel films - they have pulled off the amazing feat of bringing the best of comic books to film with excellent writing and wonderful visual effects.  The sheer volume of films has given us the modern version of the serial action film that died when television came along.  

I revisit the movies often enough to gravitate towards the individual character movies, though.  The Avengers films play better as big theatrical events for me - which is great and forgives some of the issues I have when I see it again.



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Not sure how Tony is stranded. He was left on a planet with a working space ship with someone who knows how to fly space ships. 

Unless Thanos went back to kill/capture Nebula....
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Brian R... I suppose we'll have to see the movie to find out. :) :) :)
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Since Nebula is mostly machine now, does she need to eat or drink or breathe? And she may be an expert pilot but that doesn't necessarily mean she knows how to get to a planet she's never been to (Earth). 
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Maybe something is wrong with the ship. It's not like they had a smooth landing. And he DID say the oxygen would be gone by morning. 

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Looks like Stark is on the Milano. I don't think the Guardians' landing on Titan was even shown in INFINITY WAR. The ship should be in decent shape...and Earth's coordinates wouldn't be too difficult for Stark and Nebula to find in its data banks.

I guess it could have taken damage during the whole throwing-a moon-at-Iron Man thing, but still...look what he was able to do in a cave with a bunch of scraps.

With the challenges to be faced in AVENGERS 4, I would have thought getting Stark back to Earth would have been among the least of them.




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Looks like Stark is on the Milano. I don't think the Guardians' landing on Titan was even shown in INFINITY WAR. The ship should be in decent shape...and Earth's coordinates wouldn't be too difficult for Stark and Nebula to find in its data banks.

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The Guardiansí ship in INFINITY WAR was the Benatar. 
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Really? Did not know that. 

(Though, the Milano was pretty trashed in GOTG2)


Same scenario, tho...perfectly good ship, seemingly.
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The Alyssa Milano

The Pat Benatar

Peter Quill is a child of the 80ís for sure.

I speculate that Stark will be rescued by a certain spacefaring heroine......in a moment designed to make the audience go apeshit.


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Whereíd you guys get the names of the ships?
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Starlord calls his ship "The Milano" in GOTG at least once. 

I wasn't aware of The Benatar. I figured the Milano got rebuilt between the end of GOTG2 and IW, since a few years pass. 
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"I wasn't aware of The Benatar. I figured the Milano got rebuilt between the end of GOTG2 and IW, since a few years pass. "

Nope.  The Benatar was a gift to the Guardians from the Nova Corps for their role in defending Nova Prime from Ronan.  It appeared to be essentially a new replica of his old ship...which was given to him by Yondu as a member of the Ravagers.  Recall that the Ravagers had many ships that looked like The Milano in their fleet.

This all went down in GOTG Vol1.  
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Pat Benatar >>> Anything else from the 80's.
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