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Paul Gibney
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Posted: 19 April 2019 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The particular combination of crew on the Orville has resulted in a
cease-fire with the Krill and prevented earth from being destroyed by
the Kaylons. If anything significant changed then we could be going
down a very dark path indeed.
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Unfortunately, Fox television doesn’t do Blu Ray anymore.  It’s not just the Orville.  They put out Legion season one on Blu Ray, but season 2 is DVD only.
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The touched on the idea that pulling Lt. Kelly from the past might have caused a new timeline to branch off - I think they called it a tangent timeline - so maybe next week's episode will be The Orville's mirror universe episode.

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Unfortunately, Fox television doesn’t do Blu Ray anymore.  It’s not just the Orville.  They put out Legion season one on Blu Ray, but season 2 is DVD only.
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Yeah, yeah, I know. We’re entering the era of the Streaming Wars, and physical media is being pushed out the door. But I’m a physical media kinda guy, for a variety of reasons. 
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You’re heading for a Mort Weisinger story. “He’s fated to always become Superman...”
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Hey, depending on what they end up doing, that could well be how it plays out!

That being said, modern STAR TREK has fallen into “destiny” nonsense, and so it would be nice to see THE ORVILLE retain real TREK’s spirit of humanism and self-determination by showing that choices have consequences. 
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I think it would be appropriate if they established that Ed’s marriage to Kelly was essential to his growth into the person that would be an effective captain. Kelly emphasized that relationships were about growing together. As much as their divorce sent him into a downspiral, not having her in his life at all might make him a worse officer. 

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ITEM: To start, call me a weirdo, but I thought Lt. Kelly would end up in bed with Cmdr. Kelly, not Ed. Yeah, I know it's weird, but I got the vibes from that episode.

ITEM: It is a delight to see that time travel/displacement is a real consideration in the 25th century, even taught at the Union Academy. It seems that, while not likely at all, it must be taken into account. And as noted... John and Isaac (sic?) obviously achieved it!

ITEM: So the question arises... is time a singular "river" or does it split into alternate timeline "tributaries"? I guess we'll find out how it's treated in next week's Orville.

ITEM: Of course, we have to wonder A) how effective is a memory wipe? If not 100%, then Lt. Kelly could be the source and resolution of the crisis. B) Would someone notice that Kelly is a couple weeks older than she should be? The time she spent in the future would count, even if she missed no time in the past. C) Could Isaac remember two timelines, or a previous timeline? I mean, he's 700-odd years out of phase with the Orville; time travel has, in a vague way, already occurred with him.

ITEM: Time travel stories make my head ache, in a great way, because I try to figure out the physics, and cause and effect. For those of you keen on the subject, I recommend Isaac Asimov's "The End of Eternity" - a fantastic novel where time changing is commonplace.

Anxious for next week's Orville - but then, I always am!
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ITEM: To start, call me a weirdo, but I thought Lt. Kelly would end up in bed with Cmdr. Kelly, not Ed. Yeah, I know it's weird, but I got the vibes from that episode.
      

Weirdo. Do you think this is a Heinlein short story?!


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ITEM: It is a delight to see that time travel/displacement is a real consideration in the 25th century, even taught at the Union Academy. It seems that, while not likely at all, it must be taken into account. And as noted... John and Isaac (sic?) obviously achieved it!  

ITEM: So the question arises... is time a singular "river" or does it split into alternate timeline "tributaries"? I guess we'll find out how it's treated in next week's Orville.

Don’t forget we’ve already seen time travel in THE ORVILLE with Charlize Theron’s character. 
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Michael R. I figured it might be closer to a Heinlein novel, but I take what I can get. ;)

We DID see Charlize Theron time travel... from the future. Shucks, she might have used the John/Isaac device, for all we know. I just was noting that this was the earliest in time that we see time travel effected (yes, Lt. Kelly time travels, but not of her own volition, and supposedly she doesn't recall it.) But if quantum travel is involved, then any warping of space might well involve warping of time too.

One must wonder what the Union uses as a prime directive. Surely there should be one for time travelers!
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The best Prime Directive should borrow rom the Hyppocratic Oath: First, Do No Harm.

As to the Nature of Time, some have suggested that all possible timelines were generated with the Big Bang (whatever that was), so splitting off alternates is not possible. (The shade of Mark Gruenwald weeps.)

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Posted: 21 April 2019 at 9:40am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Enjoyable episode.

If I may be allowed one tiny nitpick.. 

All the medical technology we have seen in the show and sciatica is still an issue??


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Posted: 21 April 2019 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I think it was just an excuse he made.
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Posted: 25 April 2019 at 7:59pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Disappointing finale.
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Posted: 25 April 2019 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Predictable. In fact, predicted.
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Laren Farmer
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Posted: 25 April 2019 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

I don't think the episode itself was bad...it just suffered for us all having guessed where it was going. 

[Spoiler deleted for time zones! —JB]

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Sorry, I was off an hour on the Pacific time zone.
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Posted: 25 April 2019 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

I think the season should have ended with the question asked, but us not know the answer....  Keep us all guessing until next season.
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Posted: 26 April 2019 at 4:17am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Well, I was wrong, as I thought for sure she was going to turn him down for that second date....again.

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Two things stuck out for me:

Kelly's top seemed a bit... gratuitous.
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Gratuitous and distracting. Like driving by a train wreck.
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A big flaw last night lay in Ed having been established in the first episode as a top notch officer (as previously noted), falling down only after the divorce from Kelly. So how does this altered timeline put him in command of a station? The only answer seems to be to keep him from playing the same role there as he did in the original timeline.
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OR maybe not getting the second date from Kelly distracted him to the point that he didn't take advantage of the opportunities provided to him in terms of promotion.  It was an even bigger negative to him.

We'll never know.
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It would have been better for Ed to have gotten another ship sooner...and been off somewhere else when Isaac betrayed the Orville.  But commanding a station still seems like a good position.  In the altered timeline it's possible that when opportunities for a ship command came up, his station was undergoing some problem or other and he didn't feel right about leaving at that time.
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Posted: 26 April 2019 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

I'm guessing they didn't leave us hanging in case the series doesn't get renewed.

This was the only episode of the series so far where I actually felt sorry for Bortus. I generally don't because its his own fault for putting up with Klyden's crap.


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"A big flaw last night lay in Ed having been established in the first episode as a top notch officer (as previously noted), falling down only after the divorce from Kelly. So how does this altered timeline put him in command of a station? The only answer seems to be to keep him from playing the same role there as he did in the original timeline."

I respectively disagree with this. I feel the episode plays off the "behind every good man..." motif.  If not for the partnership of a relationship with Kelly, he wouldn't have been a first class officer and on track for his own command.  That he fell down so hard after his divorce would support this as well.
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