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Peter Martin
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Posted: 01 January 2019 at 12:25am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Biggest laugh for me in the episode was when Malloy circled the cartographer's table and decided he couldn't muster the courage to talk to her... Oh yeah, and Ed drifting by in the shuttle past Kelly's window.
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Watched it again. Still sounds like “f**k”.
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Overall I liked the episode, though I'm a bit annoyed that MacFarlane dipped into the Ed/Kelly well again so quickly. I thought that he tied a bow around the subject pretty neatly in "Mad Idolatry", which is the previously-aired episode. I get that some time has passed between seasons*, but still - Kelly even brought up points which were explored rather well in the previous episode.

I'm surprised that they opened the season with a "bottle episode". I don't mind it, but that's probably not the best way to attract new viewers, especially right after airing a Sunday Night Football game.

It wasn't until Greg mentioned that Jason Alexander was the bartender and I watched it again when I put it together. It went right passed be even seeing in the opening credits that he was in the episode. I'm liking the use of stealth cameos, so far.

Kudos to MacFarlane for subverting my expectations and showing restraint in Bortus' ritual. I was fully expecting a Family Guy-esque 5-minute sequence of Bortus urinating.

*I've read that this Thursday's episode is the holdover from Season 1.


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I'm surprised that they opened the season with a "bottle episode". I don't mind it, but that's probably not the best way to attract new viewers, especially right after airing a Sunday Night Football game. 

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I read that given the long hiatus, MacFarlane wanted to highlight the crew with a set of character pieces to reintroduce them to the audience.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZspRRB6o_NU
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I hadn't been a regular viewer of the show but liked this season premiere quite well. Figure I'll watch the next few and see if it becomes a habit.
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I'm surprised that they opened the season with a "bottle episode". I don't mind it, but that's probably not the best way to attract new viewers, especially right after airing a Sunday Night Football game.

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Interesting to contrast with STAR TREK TOS. The first episode filmed, tho not broadcast, was "The Corbomite Maneuver", which was very much a "bottle episode"--and which got shunted down the broadcast order in favor of a more "monster of the week" style outing.

Also interesting to compare the story structure. ORVILLE has what I think of as a sitcom structure, with multiple storylines wrapping around each other, sometimes converging, sometimes not. STAR TREK, like most of the dramas of the time, told one story, start to finish, per episode. And, of course, in those days there were no "arks".

(Speaking of which--well, I was about to offer a bit of speculation on the new cartographer, but that would be breaking my own rules!)

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It's much more TNG-ish in structure: Some episodes are focused on one specific character, while most of the rest bounce back and forth between several characters' stories.

And nearly every episode's opening teaser momentarily tricks my brain into thinking it's TNG, what with the specific musical style and the fade to black before the main title sequence begins.
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Yes—it makes me think what TNG might have been.
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I thought the first episode of season two was a good reintroduction to the characters, or introduction for some folks hopefully as the more the merrier if we want to avoid cancellation. Laughed out loud at a few of the jokes. Not sure how I feel about the new cast members yet. I feel like the captain and Alara would have good chemistry if they were to start dating. Another new episode tonight which is really great considering how long we had to wait to get a new episode and now we are getting another one just four days later!
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Yes and yes, Greg.

BTW, Lt.Tyler played a Krill in a season 1 episode. "Re-purposing" talent in true TOS fashion.
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Wow. I'm impressed. Especially for an episode not written by MacFarlane.
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I had no idea where all that was going!
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Not by MacFarlane? IMDb says otherwise...?
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Hmmm. I could have sworn that I saw an unfamiliar name under the writer credit. One site says that it was directed by MacFarlane and written by Kevin Hooks, and another has both names switched. I won't be able to check until it airs on Hulu tomorrow.

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Good episode, but it could have used a little more time to stretch out.  Not sure HOW exactly, since it wouldn't be enough for a two-parter.
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Man, I enjoyed this one a lot. 


This is what I’ve been saying—THE ORVILLE’s great strength is that it can do STAR TREK without being burdened by the baggage and history of STAR TREK. I found myself grinning during the opening teaser, because I immediately realized that they were gonna do something which TNG and the other shows were unable to, and which was only ever hinted at: an exploration of holodeck sex addiction. 

I can now see why this one might have been held back from the first season, considering the risqué material (note that this aired with a “viewer discretion” advisory), but it all works really well. We even get an interesting exploration of the repercussions from the events of “About a Girl”, and a really nice little melding of the “A” and “B” plots at the end.

There’s also that inspiring spirit of...er...discovery...in the opening scenes of the crew examining the planet’s atmosphere boiling away, which is something that’s been lacking in more recent iterations of TREK (which seem to prefer supervillains and explosions to the joys of exploration). This show really captures the spirit of TREK, and is a proper successor to what Roddenberry gave us, half a century ago. Examinations of social issues from different angles, and presenting diversity in a very positive and non-preachy way. The fictitious nature of Bortus and his race allows for a Gay couple to be a natural and organic part of the show, and yet it doesn’t feel like pandering or a gimmick. The Bortus/Klyden “scenes from a marriage” bits are some of the funniest and most touching moments in the entire series, too. 

And even throwaway characters, like the alien lieutenant who hooks up Bortus with the porn program, feel like fleshed-out and interesting characters we’d like to see more of. Hilarious use of subtitles, too. “You want to hone your bone?”


Oh, and the onscreen credits do not include MacFarlane as writer or director. Color me surprised!
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Yeah, IMDb has Wellesley Wild as writer and Kevin Hooks directing.

The show will have a MacFarlane tone to it when Wild is writing, i.e. going on a tangent about the pronunciation of Minister Theece's name, they've worked together for years.
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Yep, I just looked up Mr Wild - along with Cherry Chevapravatdumrong, they've worked with MacFarlane for a while, so I can see how they'd be able to fool me into thinking Macfarlane wrote this.

Wild has also been tapped as showrunner for a new Animaniacs series - LINK
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Seems IMDb has been updated since I looked last night.
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So, WAS this the holdover from S1? The special effects seemed up seversl notches.
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JB, it may have been.  The new cartographer was neither seen nor mentioned in this episode.  And, to me, it sort of felt like a season ending type of episode.
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I was wondering the same thing. An AVClub review states that it is, but I haven't yet seen confirmation from the production crew. I was thinking that maybe they punched up the effects after the fact? Season 2 is said to have a bigger budget.

But here's another thing - Season 2 is under a new experiment by Fox where there will be less commercials with more episode airtime. This episode is 48 minutes long, along with the premiere episode. Season 1 episodes tended to run for 42-43 minutes (according to my quick check on Hulu). It seems less likely that they'd shoot new scenes after the fact to fill in the extra space.
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Curiouser and curiouser....

So this LINK looks to give actual proof that this was originally a season 1 episode. It also stated that scenes were reshot to to make it fit in the Season 2 timeline. So that would account for the 48 minutes. BUT, they state that MacFarlane was the writer.
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Posted: 06 January 2019 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | 25 post reply

Another decent episode, though the fixing of the virus/escape from the sun's pull seemed a little rushed at the end.

I don't recall -- did they give a previous explanation about how Bortus' child is so grown up already?
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