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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 22 March 2019 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I did enjoy Bortus' B-plot, though I'll agree with Michael that it went on a bit too long.

I laughed out loud at Clyden's reaction to his first smoke ("I feel like I'm sitting down for the first time in my life!"), because it ties into why I never took a single puff of a cig in my entire life - I fear that I would REALLY enjoy it.
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I quit smoking about 6 months ago hadn't really wanted one till ...

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“Don’t think of it as a cigarette. Think of it as the thing that’s been missing from your hand.”

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I laughed out loud at Clyden's reaction to his first smoke ("I feel like I'm sitting down for the first time in my life!"), because it ties into why I never took a single puff of a cig in my entire life - I fear that I would REALLY enjoy it.

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I guess I was lucky. In high school I smoked, but only what my father called “O.P.s”—Other People’s. In the year between high school and college, when I tried to turn into a Great Novelist, my sources dried up and I quit with nary a negative reaction.

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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 9:06am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Embarrassingly, what Klyden did prior to his first smoke almost mirrored what I did (at an early age) to one of my dad's cigars...

...I think that one taste was enough to have me stay away from any tobacco products after that.

Also, "Wireless Telecommunications Facility". LOL
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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

That reminds me - seems a little odd that they would not know what WTF meant, seeing as how they are usually so steeped in 20/21st Century culture otherwise. Same goes for ‘Dick Van Dyke’.
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Yeah Vinny, I know what you mean. But you know what, I'm going to give them a pass on picking and choosing their 20/21st century knowledge, giving that part of the charm of the series is the use of current language in a future setting.
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Oh, I'm letting it go, too. It just raised an eyebrow, that's all.
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I quite enjoyed the main story with Gordon, and was quite nauseated with the Bortus subplot. But that's just me.

Tim Russ was a pleasant surprise. It seems as if McFarlane is trying to sneak a little ST in every now and again, and I don't mind. It's about the same amount of a little humor now and again that completely avoids "Family Guy" type slapstick. A little dab'll do you.

I did have an issue that I think deserves its own topic; how smart and self-aware are the simulator and/or holodeck? Look for it coming to a forum near you, soon!
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Tim Russ looked surprisingly old to me; probably because I'd been watching a couple of Voyager episodes the same day. Pretty good episode, though with a few wrinkles in its logic, as have been already pointed out.

I found the Bortus subplot amusing. There's something about his deadpan face that causes very simple things to be funny, such as revealing all his hidden cigarettes.
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 QUOTE:
Tim Russ looked surprisingly old to me; probably because I'd been watching a couple of Voyager episodes the same day.

Next year will be the 25th anniversary of the Voyager premiere.
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Posted: 25 March 2019 at 8:01am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Maybe it's Robert Picardo who is the oddity -- he looked not much different despite all those passing year. Maybe the Xelayan make-up helped.
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Posted: 28 March 2019 at 9:25am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I appreciated how this episode addressed cigarette addiction frankly and humorously.   Big Tobacco may no longer wield the influence it once did but I can't recall another network television show taking on this issue so directly. 

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I only recently discovered that I'm a particular lover of deadpan humor. The comedic actors that passed away that especially saddened me were Leslie Nielsen and recently Super Dave Osborne/Bob Einstein, who were both masters at it.

As such, seeing Bortus' humorous scenes pleases me greatly.


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Long list of cancelled and renewed shows on the IMDb, but no mention either way of THE ORVILLE.
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https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/the-orville-good-trouble- tv-show-renewals-expected-because-of-tax-incentives/

There may be hope 
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Posted: 03 April 2019 at 9:29pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

TVLine has it as "a safe bet" to return:  LINK

They're generally accurate in their predictions.
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I want it to come back so badly, but I also worry that the death-by-a-thousand-budget-cuts that would hit a third season could really bring down the entertainment value and scope of the storytelling.  No matter how strong the writing and acting, genre TV like this requires a certain amount of scope to be effective.  The fifth season of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was fun but also claustrophobic, as they filmed the whole season on a handful of interior sets and limited the location shooting (and extras) to a degree that it felt at times airless and small.
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I caught a few minutes of a couple of NextGen episodes last night, while surfing, and I was REALLY disappointed to see how much THE ORVILLE has taken from that series.
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Posted: 11 April 2019 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Enjoyed the latest episode, though I thought it was almost entirely without comedy...and didn't need it 

While I didn't mind the Dolly Parton bit, I don't think the show would have suffered without it..
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Posted: 12 April 2019 at 10:27am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Another top notch episode.

Marina Sirtis was a shock!

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Really enjoyed this one. Very heady, and it builds logically on all of the Moclan lore that’s come before. As I’ve previously noted, the Moclans are basically the show’s go-to for exploring LGBT and gender issues, and it usually manages to do so without being overly preachy or hamfisted. Like STAR TREK and THE TWILIGHT ZONE before it, the show broadens specific social topics into more fundamental problems, shows different angles and opinions, and sends a simple message of tolerance and compassion. Unlike so many other current properties, which coast on shallow characters and have all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. 

Top-notch, indeed.

Marina Sirtis’ appearance was indeed a shock, and this episode contains a murderer’s row of TNG-era people, both in front of and behind the camera: Sirtis, Jonathan Frakes, Joe Menosky, F. Murray Abraham, and Tony Todd.




And Dolly Parton.
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Posted: 12 April 2019 at 10:46am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

One small complaint: the Moclan soldiers seemed to have undergone Lucas’ storm trooper weapons training.
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Posted: 12 April 2019 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Re: Martina Sirtis -
I “heard” her before I “saw” her.
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Posted: 12 April 2019 at 1:41pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

One thing I love about this show--especially the second season--is that they don't go for the easy out. No "Prime Directive" to allow a Picard-like shrug and a "Nothing we can do." So no guaranteed happy endings.

Which means I can't be sure of the episode wrap up until we get there.

(Speaking of which, Bortus smiles!!)

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"(Speaking of which, Bortus smiles!!)"

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Yes, I was like "Wait for it, Wait for it.....There it is!"
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