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Bill Mimbu
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I have to agree with Mercer at the end, questioning how long the alliance between the Moclans and the Union will last.
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Yes, I'm hoping they explore how the Moclan culture works within the
Union when their values clash so much,
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If this was Star Trek, they'd have already been kicked out of the Federation. At some point, the Union is going to have to deal with them somehow.

Talla putting Klyden in his place at the end was great. 
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After this episode, I feel they are building up to Moclus leaving the Union and Bortus being an outcast from his culture "Sins of the Father" style.
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Confirmation of the Bruce Willis cameo:

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I liked the episode. Man, Klyden has become the "heel" of the show.
There should be plenty of sociopolitical subjects to keep this show running for a while, but I would not be opposed to a good ole fashioned strategic/battle episode.

on a side note I finally figured out what the Moclan ship reminded me of. It looks just like a carabiner I own.
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Yes, I'm hoping they explore how the Moclan culture works within the 
Union when their values clash so much
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Iíve had the distinct feeling that all of the slow buildup regarding both the Moclans and the Kaylons is gonna have some kind of payoff, down the line. And, in regards to the Kaylons, Issac is the only one weíve seen...for now.


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I'm having more faith that MacFarlane is thinking long-term. Once again Topa's sex change was brought up as a very sore spot for Bortus, with the extra barb of Talia referring to Topa as his daughter. I was a bit bugged about how it wasn't referenced for the rest of Season 1, but pleased to see that it was always there, just under the surface. Looks like it's definitely going to lead to something big.

Some good moments, but not sure what I feel about the episode overall, yet. Kelly's about-face with Cascius seemed to be out of nowhere - but again I suspect that it will be revealed that there is more to it. With that and the ending, this episode was just darker than what I'm used to with the show.
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Kellyís change of heart on Cassius seemed natural to me. She had placed her career over Ed, and now she was doing the same with her new boyfriend. What I didnít get was Cassius going from the guy who was so rational that it irritated Kelly to the super-desperate guy sending giant Bruce Willis flowers to her in a bid to win her back. I get that he was probably more invested in the relationship at that point, but his behavior in the episode just seemed forced to justify Kelly dumping him.
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I dunno, I kind of seen it like Vinny. One second their enjoying a 1940's Earth hologram, the next second their done, over with. No compromise no sleeping on it. Almost like Kelly was waiting to drop the hammer on Cassius.
You're right about "desperate Cassius", Michael. All together looked like a quick way to drop him off the show.
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I didn't question Kelly's breakup with Cassius.  I just took it as a cue that a lot of time had passed between this episode and the last time we saw them (which seems to be the case for many of the Orville episodes...weeks or months passing between them).  That allows more than enough time for Kelly to decide the relationship wasn't what she wanted.
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Excellent episode.

The Moclans, it seems, are being cast as the Unionís version of the Arab/Muslim world. So very different culturally that we must overlook some deep divides in order to be ďalliesĒ.

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