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Robbie Parry
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PLOT: The Doctor and co are injured on a distant planet. They are picked up by a medical ship, but soon fight for their lives against a strange creature looking to consume the entire ship.

This was pretty forgettable stuff, to be honest. It was the DW equivalent of "fast food". Unlike the other episodes, nothing left a lasting impression on me. 

I like Whittaker's Doctor. I like the companions. And I have nothing but praise for the android character, Ronan. 

It's just that I didn't see anything I hadn't seen New Who do previously. The "alien running amok on a ship" trope is fun 99% of the time. It's not that I have been watching the show too long - I can always find something to enjoy - it's just that this particular plot has been done countless times. It just felt old hat.
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Nightmare at 20,000ft sprung to mind! The pregnant man
thing was not as funny as the writer thought it was. I
can watch the majority of Nu Who again and again, this
current series, i can`t envision me doing that, other
than the Rosa ep.You`d think that they`d hit the ground
running and air the better episodes early to hook you,
but so far, so average.
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P.S. i thought the control room on the ship, would have
made a better Tardis control room than the current
claustrophobic one.
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I found it...well, dull - not a word I would ever have associated with Doctor Who, not even the 21st century version. I'm not sure whether it was the bland storyline or just the fact I'm getting old, but my attention kept wandering elsewhere. That's two duff scripts in a row - a pity after such a strong opening. Hopefully things will get back on track next week.
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I know Moffatt had his detractors, but his storylines
had substance and were not overly simple.
I thought Chibnall`s previous stories before he became
showrunner were not to my taste, but thought i was
open minded, the money is there on screen, the scripts
are just not good!

I keep seeing on social media people who criticise
this series, being called misogynist and racist,
conveniently forgetting that Micky, Martha and Bill
were loved by the majority.Also, we accepted a female
Master, without complaint!
Personally, i have no problem with the cast, just the
disappointing stories.
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'Dull' is definitely the recurring theme here. Other
than ROSA, I've found myself tuning out in every
episode so far... not a good sign in such a short show!

After the complexities of Moffatt's era, I can see why
the BBC would want to return to the family friendly RTD
approach: high on drama, low on scifi. But prior to
this Chibnall's previous WHO stories were weak,
Torchwood was weak, and nothing he's shown so far
suggests a sudden upturn. I suspect the main reason he
got the gig was the overwhelming success of Broadchurch
- which is fine, it does prove at least he's capable of
superstar output... we're just not getting it on this
show.

The cast are fine, but these stories...
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I went into BROADCHURCH with high hopes, based on the players, but quickly lost interest.
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 Andrew Saxon wrote:
I found it...well, dull - not a word I would ever have associated with Doctor Who, not even the 21st century version. I'm not sure whether it was the bland storyline or just the fact I'm getting old, but my attention kept wandering elsewhere. That's two duff scripts in a row - a pity after such a strong opening. Hopefully things will get back on track next week.

Mr Saxon, I don't think it's because you are getting old.

I watched the first season of ARROW about six or more months ago. On Blu-ray. Followed it all. No mind wandering. 

My mind didn't wander during FIRST MAN or HALLOWEEN at the cinema.

I'm rewatching LINE OF DUTY. Very complex storylines which all tie into each other over several seasons. No mind wandering there.

But the episode we're discussing made my mind wander. 
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I guess I'm the minority position here.  I've been really enjoying the back to basics approach this series.  Moffatt got to the point where he was just doing convoluted continuity stories.  Just a series of standalone episodes starring the Doctor is nice for a change.  And I like that the Doctor is now once again the constant.  Instead of the companion teaching the Doctor something and his character having this arc due to dear [fill-in-the-blank], here we can already see this episode that its the companions who are growing and changing themselves and in their relationships to one another through having these adventures with the Doctor.  With Moffatt, every episode was either the universe at stake or don't-miss-the-hidden-clues toward the season finale.  It got old.  Maybe in Whittaker's second season when we'll start seeing some other familiar elements like Daleks et al. make a comeback they'll strike a balance between the two.
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Steve, I've enjoyed the back-to-basics approach, too. This was the first episode of the new season that I didn't enjoy. I am certainly looking forward to next week's historical episode (India, 1947). 

I agree that Moffat got too convoluted. It was distracting.

Although I didn't enjoy this episode, I am sure it'll be a blip in the season.
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I agree - after the convoluted noise of Moffatís run, a back to basics
was very much warranted. I just donít think itís been handled very well
here, and I canít put my finger on the problem.

Generally... the stories have a good handle on family and relationships
but almost no idea of sci-fi. Itís like theyíve put a load of writers in the
room together who have never watched a single piece of genre tv or
read a sci-fi book. Actually now Iím typing this, itís more like RTDs first
DR Who series - keep it simple, lay the groundwork, donít rock the
boat.
And there nothing wrong with that... but the stories are so clumsy and
pedestrian itís hard to tell who theyíre aimed at.
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Mr Muir makes some good points.

I think it needs to step up its game a tad with the sci-fi episodes. I enjoyed "Rosa" and I am sure I'll enjoy seeing the Doctor in 1947 India. I always felt there was much enjoyment to be had with the historical episodes.

But the sci-fi episodes need to stand out. As I stated in my initial post, the "alien running amok on a ship" trope is old hat. If a series does it now, it needs to be spectacular rather than simply solid.
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It's the villains / threats that this series is mishandling as well. Be what you may view of Davies and Moffat, they did at least throw in interesting villains to the mix. 

This series seems to just have a lack of challenging villains or even compelling ones.
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Mr. McPhee, I'd agree with that slightly.

Only the bus driver in "Rosa" and Chris Noth's character (jeez, I've forgotten his name) in the spider episode have left any lasting impression on me.
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Even then, they weren't villains in the true sense. The bus driver was a historical figure and Chris Noth's Robertson was more an opportunist than an out-and-out villain.
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Count me among the minority as well, this one positively thrilled me.  Simple base-under-siege plot with a bunch of characters I've really taken to.  I felt like I was watching something akin to "Horror of Fang Rock", except maybe the production values gave it more of a Davison-era flavor.
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My least favorite episode of the season, so far. In no hurry to watch it again. The best thing about the episode was the sonic screwdriver being destroyed. 

Probably won't be so lucky, but I'm hoping the replacement will look different.
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The sonic screwdriver had repaired itself by the end of the episode.
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Latest issue of DOCTOR WHO MAGAZINE is out. Whilst I can't share the entire review for copyright purposes, here's a sentence by reviewer Paul Kirkley:


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That said, there are times when it feels weighed down by a critical mass of info-dump dialogue and slightly forced emotional beats, and, in all honesty, it's unlikely to top many people's favourite story lists this year.


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I thought this was one of the better new Who, post-Eccleston anyway. It had some actual logic to it, whew! 
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Not really my favorite episode so far, but I'm enjoying what I'm seeing out of the new Doctor so far...
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I keep seeing on social media people who criticise  this series, being called misogynist and racist, conveniently forgetting that Micky, Martha and Bill  were loved by the majority.

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Mickey was loved by the majority? I think you are from an alternate universe, sir.
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Well, Michael, he wasn`t universally hated!
The only character i started off hating was Donna, based
on her screeching harridan portrayal in her first
episode, but i warmed to her in the end!
My point was, that a lot of criticism of this series is
dismissed as being racist and/or misogynist when it`s
the lacklustre stories and clumsy writing that`s being
criticised.

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Maybe I'm anti-American then because I could never stand Peri! Even Mel was preferable. Then again, as Perri wasn't played by an American...

The man giving birth sideshow of this episode was close to becoming annoying but it was just enough fun to see it done, and well acted by all involved in it.
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Rebecca, i didn`t mind Peri, but Mel had the baggage in
the U.K. of Bonnie Langford being an annoying child
star, in both Junior Showtime and Just William.
The female companion who i couldn`t stand was Ace, the
clumsily written and acted Tomboy!
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