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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6103
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Posted: 04 November 2018 at 7:51am | IP Logged | 1
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Brennan: "I don't see the Democrats having any issues aside from attacking Trump, and blaming the Russians. "
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...Well, there's the little matter of health care which happens to be the issue the Democrats are actually running on (as opposed to impeachment or Russians, which they aren't mentioning). It also happens to be the issue that voters, Red and Blue, identify as most important.
It's got the Republicans on the run, lying like crazy that they have always been protecting pre-existing conditions when, in many cases, they are actively suing to end all parts of Obamacare even as they speak.
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Brennan: You're telling me Trump is going to impose emergency rule? I don't see it.
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I agree with you on the historical differences between Hitler's moment and Trump's, but consider this: when Trump is removed, he will face criminal charges of many kinds and there is a lot of will to see him actually pay for them.
Trump has nothing to gain by cooperatively agreeing to comply with norms. He will try everything he can think of to stay in power because he literally has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Why wouldn't he impose emergency rule?
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Steven Brake Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 January 2016 Posts: 562
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Posted: 04 November 2018 at 10:29am | IP Logged | 2
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Brennan Voberol wrote:
Steven, in my view, Trump will win reelection in 2020 - no matter the midterm results. I don't see the Democrats having any issues aside from attacking Trump, and blaming the Russians. --------------------------------------------------------- and JB wrote:
Trump’s reelection is a certainty. Then worry about 2024, when he might seek an excuse to “suspend” the elections. ---------------------------------------------------------
Why is this? Are there no Democrats who can pose a credible challenge to Trump?
I saw on Twitter that Hillary hasn't ruled out a 2020 run, but, whenever this was posted, it was usually followed by overwhelmingly negative responses, and from people who usually identified themselves as Democrats! Why is she do disliked, even - particularly? - by Democrat voters?
Isn't Bernie Sanders still relatively popular in the U.S, particularly with younger and more left-leaning voters?
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3655
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Posted: 04 November 2018 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 3
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Steven,
With the economy roaring along and the American people's propensity for re-electing their incumbent Presidents (Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama) - it's looking like a bright prospect for Trump in 2020 as of right now.
Marc
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Brian Wilson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 74
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Posted: 04 November 2018 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | 4
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My expectation is that the Democrats will regain control of the House but not the Senate. Some time after the election, the economy will tank or other issues will arise from the accumulated fuckery of the current administration. Then, the Republicans will have the perfect scapegoat in place to blame the newly elected Dems, which will lead to increased gains and consolidation of power in 2020.
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 May 2005 Location: United States Posts: 8841
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Posted: 04 November 2018 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | 5
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IF people get out and vote, the Dems can take the House and tighten things up in the Senate. Also, quite a few states look to be going Dem in the gubernatorial races.
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 July 2006 Location: United States Posts: 8355
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Posted: 04 November 2018 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | 6
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Here I sort of like both candidates for Governor, but the Republican candidate loses my vote for one reason: He wants to give public funds to magnet and private schools. The public schools here don't get nearly enough funding as it is.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 05 November 2018 at 4:50am | IP Logged | 7
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Trump’s reelection is a certainty. Then worry about 2024, when he might seek an excuse to “suspend” the elections. --------------------------------------------------------- Why is this? Are there no Democrats who can pose a credible challenge to Trump? ••• No. And remember, in 2020 it will be just as in 2016. What will matter is WHERE the votes are cast, not how many or for whom.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12437
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Posted: 05 November 2018 at 5:51am | IP Logged | 8
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Very few states appear to be electorally in play. So, the Democrats need to passionately get behind one person and support her or him with a vigorous and massive ground game in these states.
Who is that person? Don't know. Names are out there. But I don't know that any would inspire the kind of total Democratic unity needed to defeat Trump. I am reminded of the 1972 Democratic primaries, when Humphrey, McGovern, and Wallace were essentially in a three-way tie, each around four million votes, and Muskie bringing up the rear with nearly two million votes too.
In any event, it's awfully tough to unseat a sitting President. Neither Trump's style nor substance will cause his voters to abandon him, no matter how much the opposition despises both. Some bad "thing" has to happen. No way to predict that.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 05 November 2018 at 6:03am | IP Logged | 9
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Last night I caught a few minutes of Bill Maher's show, which I normally do not watch, and he referenced some study that claimed it was the "sunshine" candidates who got elected--the ones who preached happy days and a great America. This, he said, was the opposite of Trump, who was a "dark" candidate.And there's everything wrong with the liberal Left in a nutshell: they view the world solely thru the lens of their own experience. They hate Trump, so Trump is "dark". But to his supporters/voters, Trump is a positive supernova. "Make America Great Again" is just what the rifle-toting cousin-humpers want to hear. White fear is rampant, and they want a strong President on their side to assure them the "wrong" people will not continue to gain power. ("For God's sake! Eight years of a n*gger in the White House! Enough is too much!") On the East and West Coasts we like to think of ourselves as a smart, sophisticated country. We're not.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 05 November 2018 at 6:53am | IP Logged | 10
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When race plays such a key factor, it's just impossible to think of America as smart.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 05 November 2018 at 7:52am | IP Logged | 11
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I've mentioned this before:SHortly after Rump was elected, I watched a news show in which they interviewed some of his supporters, asking why they had voted for him. One couple, looking to be in their late forties, owners of a mom & pop hamburger restaurant in the South, said they liked his plan to cut taxes for Big Corporations. This, they said, would create money that would flow down to everyone else. ARGH! I cried. That's Trickle Down, and you HATED it when Reagan did it!!!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7612
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Posted: 05 November 2018 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 12
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Trickle down rears it’s head so often in the U.K. - & never, ever occurs.
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