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Bill Collins
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Posted: 27 October 2018 at 12:25am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Also our height in feet and inches!

Do you ever hear a woman say she wants to date a hunky
1.8288 metre tall man?

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You give someone’s height in feet and inches in Asia and they will look at you oddly. Same with using pounds. Means absolutely nothing over here. 
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I`m not going to ask for a litre of beer in the pub!
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So, what would Shylock demand? 
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Nowadays? Probably a kilogram of Quorn!
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First, the Eaglemoss Spacedock looks pretty good!  I'm pleased to see they've been bumping up the size of many of their models. It really helps bring out the detail.

Second, as a fan of the metric system, I find the unit names don't fit into the arts as well as imperial unit names.  Sometimes even the sizes: I recall hearing the Midnight Oil lyric, "The western desert lives and breathes in 45 degrees," and for years it didn't register at all that that is hot, like very hot.  The unit "inch" also shows up in many songs and would sound wrong to me with "centimeter" even if it somehow fit the meter (no pun intended). To me, imperial units can have a romantic swagger to them that's harder to achieve in metric.
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Since this thread is still active...



Arriving in the UK this month, and USA release in April.
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Kinda surprised they didn’t do this one sooner, considering the bottom-of-the-barrel releases of late!
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I have the urge to say WHAT THE HECK IS THAT?? but I'm afraid someone will tell me!
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You should be afraid, then.

That’s V’Ger, as seen in the 2001 Director’s Edition of STAR TREK- THE MOTION PICTURE. In the original theatrical release, we never got to see the ship in it’s entirety. Just bits and pieces during the interminable sequence of the Enterprise flying over it, and then a head-on schematic view of the ship on the Bridge viewscreen’s tactical display as V’Ger transmitted a signal to Earth to contact its creator. But we never got a sense of what the overall ship actually looked like.

To clarify the visual storytelling in the Director’s Editon, Robert Wise inserted a shot showing the energy cloud dissipating from the ship as V’Ger approached Earth orbit.
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sigh
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And, yes, it looks like a Space Dildo.
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SPAAAAAAACE DIIILLL-DOHHHHHHH!
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Darn...

I was going to call it a "Borg Suppository"
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Given the sexual undercurrents of TMP (and much of Roddenberry's work in general), the shape of the ship isn't all that surprising, really.

And then there's the Enterprise swimming upstream, penetrating an orifice which leads to the inner chamber, and "fertilizing" V'Ger with Decker's humanity to give birth to a new life-form.



...now, let's see V'Ger get it on with the Doomsday Machine. Space Dildo meets Space Fleshlight. Ahem.
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And all of this in a G-rated film, no less. What is this world coming to...?

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I would be remiss if I didn't note that for the Director's Edition, the film was re-rated as "PG"!
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Well, I suppose when you add shots of a giant dildo...

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I liked V'ger. I ordered one. You guys are mean. "snif" I'm gonna report you guys for bullying...
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I’ve paid as little attention as possible to TMP, but I must say I didn’t really get a sense of V’ger having a shape. I saw it more as an amorphous mass. After all, if it had looked like this there would have been no reason for the flyover. A scan from a distance would have isolated the “nerve center”.
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What it comes down to, I think, is that the extremely rushed and complex production of TMP led to a lot of confusion. They had definitely planned for the V’Ger ship to be a thing during production, but the final film—with lengthy effects shots being cut in at the last minute without trimming, and no overall shot of the ship—ended up giving the impression of an amorphous mass.

The original idea was that the Enterprise came across this massive ship at the center of the cloud, then flew over it to get a closer look at what they were dealing with. However, as you note, JB, there’s no real in-universe reason for this, aside from the sensors being stated as unable to penetrate the exterior (and, later, the interior chamber) of the ship. The filmmakers clearly just wanted to have a bunch of impressive and cinematic effects shots in there. 

I also prefer the “amorphous mass” approach. Seeing the actual ship in its entirety actually makes V’Ger seem less imposing and less impressive. Heck, for the Director’s Edition, they even changed the dialogue stating the diameter of the cloud as 82 AUs (which is ridiculously big) to 2 AUs (which is very slightly less ridiculously big).


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I remember that 82 AUs thing striking me as weird even when I was in junior high...that meant that V'Ger was almost as big as the solar system itself, and I wondered how, if it were THAT big, they could even tell that it was heading straight for Earth instead of just, like, the Sun or something.
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Posted: 13 February 2019 at 2:03pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Sounds like the Milennium Falcon making the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs.
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The weird thing is that V’Ger contains a digitized representation of its entire journey within the ship itself. Moons, planets, the Epsilon IX station, Ilia, etc, . Everything it encounters, even the machine-world which outfitted it. V’Ger digitizes (and thus destroys) everything it finds, and then stores it in memory. 

It would make a heck of a lot more sense to me if that massive, massive cloud was actually a digitized projection of everything V’Ger had encountered. Too much to project and keep a record of within the ship itself, and so the projection is turned outward. Many solar systems’ worth of planets and ships—in full scale, but densely packed together—slowly accruing during the journey back to Earth, with the simulation/projection slowly expanding further and further beyond the ship until it hit 82 (or 2) AUs. It would appear from outside to be a giant energy cloud, but then the Enterprise would enter the cloud and see the archive of everything V’Ger had encountered (and destroyed), before making her way to the center of the cloud and encountering V’Ger itself. 

That would be really cinematic! 

As it is, the cloud in the film really serves no purpose, aside from creating a sense of mystery, and to show off lots of FX shots as the Enterprise passes through.
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That great Jerry Goldsmith music had to play over something.
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