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Steve De Young
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dismissing those criticisms as "manufactured outrage" or "extreme PCness" is doing that conversation a disservice.
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Which I never did.  I made a general comment about social media giving people with uninformed opinions a megaphone.  You replied by arguing that a disabled actor's opinion on the casting of disabled actors is automatically an informed opinion.  I said that doesn't automatically follow.  Maybe you were mixing together my posts and someone else's?
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Would you agree or disagree that on average, an amputee would have more knowledge of the issues that amputees face and how to better represent that than a non-amputee?
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We're not discussing hypothetical 'average' people.  We're discussing actual people and what they actually know.  So, if the non-amputee is a lawyer who specializes in disability lawsuits, they might well know a whole lot more than the 'average' amputee, and so their opinion would be more valuable.  If the non-amputee in question is the casting director of the movie we're talking about, then they know a whole lot more about why Johnson was cast than the 'average' amputee does, actor or no.

I think you're confusing passion with knowledge.  Part of the problem with social media giving everyone a megaphone is that the people who end up getting heard are the ones who shout the loudest, or take the most extreme positions.  This amplifies everyone's rhetoric.  If you care about actually gaining a deeper understanding, you have to ignore the passionate and extreme voices, and listen to the wise, well-reasoned ones.  This is what I meant by pointing out that an amputee might have more reason to care about representation of their disability in Hollywood than a person who isn't disabled.  But that doesn't mean that they necessarily know or understand more about the situation on which they are commenting.


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 Bill Collins wrote:
Matt Reed,don`t take this the wrong way, but you come across as needlessly antagonistic and rude at times.I`m 
don`t think Greg deserved your vitriol.

I don't take what you say any particular way, but thanks for caring.

With regard to the specific issue, it's a persistant thing not limited to this discussion and, as such, shouldn't be judged solely on its own merits.   I do not mean to be antagonistic but I will also not bow or cowtow to someone who has shown themselves to be something other than what they really are. 

If I come across as pushing someone, so be it. I'm fine with that  If you think that's rude, I can't argue with that.   That said?  Some times it takes being rude to call someone out.  And I'm OK with that as well.  It's part and parcel of being a moderator. 
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Which I never did.

I never said you did. Youíre not the only person in this thread. :p


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You replied by arguing that a disabled actor's opinion on the casting of disabled actors is automatically an informed opinion.

I definitely didnít say that. I asked a question. 


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I think you're confusing passion with knowledge.  Part of the problem with social media giving everyone a megaphone is that the people who end up getting heard are the ones who shout the loudest, or take the most extreme positions.  This amplifies everyone's rhetoric.  If you care about actually gaining a deeper understanding, you have to ignore the passionate and extreme voices, and listen to the wise, well-reasoned ones.  This is what I meant by pointing out that an amputee might have more reason to care about representation of their disability in Hollywood than a person who isn't disabled.  But that doesn't mean that they necessarily know or understand more about the situation on which they are commenting.

I think you are getting lost in pedantry here. If we take things to logical extremes you are taking them, no one can voice any opinion on a casting except for the casting director. 

I also donít think passion precludes knowledge or reason. Social media gives everyone a microphone, and while that allows the loudest people to voice their views, it also allows the silenced to be heard. These discussions and questions about representation are not new among their respective communities, they are not extreme, and they are not manufactured. But people seem to want to frame them as coming from white elites, and that just serves to invalidate those discussions. 

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I think you are getting lost in pedantry here. If we take things to logical extremes you are taking them, no one can voice any opinion on a casting except for the casting director. 
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Ignoring someone isn't silencing them, which I said in one of my very first posts in this thread.

And yes, I have a limited amount of time in my life that I care to spend reading about the Rock's movies.  So if there is some issue about his casting, I only really personally care to hear from the people who have actual pertinent facts, not uninformed opinions, no matter how strongly held.

I have no power to shut down social media.  If I ever find a genie in a bottle, getting rid of it may be one of my wishes, but barring that, its a done deal.  But I have a right to not care about the opinions of most people on most issues, and to ignore those opinions as irrelevant.


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I have no power to shut down social media.

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One of the reasons I get annoyed when people who have been punted off the Forum, or who have seen their posts deleted, cry CENSORSHIP!

Nothing of the kind. Any opinion that is unwelcome here can be taken elsewhere. Under true censorship, that is not possible.

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Ignoring someone isn't silencing them, which I said in one of my very first posts in this thread.

That's great? Not sure what that has to do with what I said, which was specifically about reframing someone else's criticism. That's the opposite of ignoring.


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But I have a right to not care about the opinions of most people on most issues, and to ignore those opinions as irrelevant.

No one was suggesting otherwise. 
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