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Petter Myhr Ness
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Posted: 28 September 2018 at 8:28am | IP Logged | 1  

First of all, I'm looking forward to this film! The first one had its moments, this looks like it might be better.

Second, the latest trailer has caused an uproar because they cast an Asian woman as the snake (or Maledictus) Nagini. 

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I try not to be insensitive and I strongly support diversity, but is this a sign of things going too far? The argument here seems to be: a) there are too few people of colour in the Wizarding World movies, and b) you can't cast them in roles that might be viewed as negative.

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I go back, once again, to an article in TV GUIDE in the early Seventies. It discussed how a Black couple had recently appeared in a deodorant ad, and what a great step forward that was in portraying Black Americans on TV.

Up to that point, you see, Black people on television had been mostly White people who happened to be Black -- and they were always the best of the best. They were crusading teachers, honest cops, fearless judges, brilliant doctors, etc. The studios were afraid to show Black people as, well, people. But that deodorant ad announced, subtly, "Black people are human! They sweat!"

In this age of enforced "diversity", we find once again that other races and ethnicities are expected to be portrayed as paradigms. A distinct swing of the pendulum from a long period of being pimps and drug dealers!

But the diversity card is a joker in the deck. I point again to the first THOR movie, where two Norse Gods (!) became Black and Asian in the name of "diversity", while two entirely new characters were both White.

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Posted: 28 September 2018 at 11:40am | IP Logged | 3  

I don’t understand why they’d spoil that reveal in a trailer. 
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Posted: 28 September 2018 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | 4  

I was listening to a BBC broadcast yesterday and the guests on the show were bemoaning the fact that Hollywood (and Bollywood) do not hire handicapped people as actors. They were complaining about the latest Dwayne Johnson movie, where he only has one leg. They insisted that the role should have been given to a one-legged man. When the host gently pointed out that this was Dwayne Johnson, they responded that the producers should have exhausted all attempts to find a one-legged actor before they "settled" with Johnson (I'm paraphrasing somewhat).

Soon there will be protests at the next Deadpool opening, since Ryan Reynolds, a Canadian, is playing an American. The best thing to do is to completely ignore the bleating but since the press gravitates towards manufactured outrage, it will continue. I read the article about Fantastic Beasts 2. Completely ridiculous.
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Posted: 28 September 2018 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | 5  

Acting, the greatest game of “Let’s Pretend” ever, will submerge and sink under the agendas of ever thinner slices of political correctness.
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There are times when it makes sense to hire a disabled actor. John Krasinski insisted upon a deaf actress to play his deaf daughter in A QUIET PLACE, and she both brought authenticity to her role and helped Krasinski more accurately portray a family with a deaf member.

It’s not a black and white issue, and calling it “manufactured outrage” reduces it to such and dismisses the actual minorities affected. 

As for FANTASTIC BEASTS, revealing that Voldemort’s pet snake is an Asian woman has some unfortunate associations with both stereotypes of Asian women being “dragon ladies” and subservient. I think it’s inadvertent and I’m not bothered by it, but I don’t see the point in silencing those that are. It’s a discussion. 
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Posted: 29 September 2018 at 12:19am | IP Logged | 7  

We have a fair few people with disabilities on UK tv,
i`m not saying Dwarfism is a disability, but we even
have Warwick Davies hosting a quiz show. I`m not sure an
unknown disabled person would have got the same box
office as Dwayne Johnson, they could have given him a
disabled sidekick, but then people would complain about
a disabled person being relegated to sidekick, they
can`t win!
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Posted: 29 September 2018 at 7:22am | IP Logged | 8  

The actress who is playing this Naghini character is hot, so it's all good. Or am I being a sexist pig? 
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Posted: 29 September 2018 at 8:37am | IP Logged | 9  

Acting, the greatest game of “Let’s Pretend” ever, will submerge and sink under the agendas of ever thinner slices of political correctness.
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This is what I’ve been saying, man! Artistic integrity, organic storytelling, and the art of acting are suffering from this tidal wave of extreme PC-ness. It really creeps me out. What’s more important, good storytelling or “diverse” casting? Are these products entertainment or political propaganda tools? 

People are far too eager these days to pick an extreme to champion and ferociously cling to, that’s for sure. And the Outrage Brigade will find the most ridiculous things to complain about, like not casting a real amputee in SKYSCRAPER. “Diverse” casting far too often boils down to flipping the script and recasting existing characters, because there are “too many” straight, White males in prominent roles. Which is a racist and sexist thing to say, of course. Racism and sexism are racism and sexism, regardless of who it’s aimed at.

Hey, how about casting the best actor for the role, rather than obsessing over surface characteristics and “representation”? What, are young amputees not going to be inspired by seeing an amputee character in an action movie just because Dwayne Johnson is not a real-life amputee? Is that somehow mocking or marginalizing amputees? 
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Posted: 29 September 2018 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 10  

As Michael has said, it's worth the conversation.  Not every casting decision can be boiled down to political correctness just as not every casting decision can be reduced to "the best actor for the role".  More often than not it's about hard dollars, show business in other words, so both "best actor" and diversity aren't even a consideration.  It's a case-by-case basis.  Discussion on the topic shouldn't be dismissed just because you personally find it ridiculous.  

 Greg Kirkman wrote:
And the Outrage Brigade will find the most ridiculous things to complain about...

Says the guy who then goes on a two paragraph rant!
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Posted: 29 September 2018 at 9:39am | IP Logged | 11  

 Matt Reed wrote:
Says the guy who then goes on a two paragraph rant!
What does that have to do with obsessing over surface characteristics and going to extremes?  
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Posted: 29 September 2018 at 9:42am | IP Logged | 12  

I'm addressing using the phrase "outrage brigade" as being dismissive by generalizing and lumping all complaints under a single banner prior to going on a two paragraph rant that could, itself, be characterized as being "outraged".  Indicative of a pattern not limited to this discussion.
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