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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 17 September 2018 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Look at this:


I can't say I've followed them religiously. Nor Deep Purple. Those bands are the kind I have a mild interest in, but I'm not a fan in the same way I am with Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and, the greatest band in the world, KISS.

So, are Zeppelin and Purple metal or rock bands? I've heard the debate from time to time.

No-one can deny the influence of the likes of Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin. They cranked up the volume higher and higher. And Black Sabbath "took the ball and ran with it." I am a huge fan of metal, and without blues and rock paving the way, there would be no metal. When your ears are blasted whilst attending a metal concert, it is important to remember that blues and rock were the "forefathers" of metal and it's subgenres.

But I've never thought of Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple as metal bands.
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Led Zeppelin is a blues band. 
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Blues, rock, they can be both. They can be many things. Many bands are. :)

Encyclopedias and music publications have often referred to them as a rock band. And a blues band. 
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I like Purple, but try as i might, i just can`t get into
Zep.I like Kashmir and All of my Love, but the rest
leaves me cold.I consider myself a bit of a rock anorak
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The official YouTube video of Led Zeppelin refers to them as a rock band.

But the blues elements are there, I know.
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They are Folk, Blues and Rock with Progressive elements,
still don`t like them much!
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Itís unavoidable, isnít it? With every day that passes something else from my youth becomes 50 years old!
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I consider myself a bit of a rock anorak 
too.

Wasn't Rock Anorak the title of the last Thor movie? Is that why they played Led Zeppelin in it??

But seriously...Zeppelin is a rock band. Blues-based, to be sure...but to some extent, all rock is. But showing influences and even doing some very bluesy-style songs does not a blues band make. Is AC/DC a blues band? Have your heard Ride On?*   Or...is AC/DC heavy metal? Hard rock, to be sure...

Classifications are tough, though. Zep turned it up, sang it loud, and sometimes hard and fast. The wailing of Plant's voice and Page's guitar would lay a blueprint for many rock - and metal - bands to come. But were they, themselves, a heavy metal band? No more than a blues band, I suppose. Perhaps they are that pioneering main filter that turns blues eventually into metal. 

If Zep is metal, is The Who? Very similar formula...a wild man on the drums, a bass guitarist (arguably different from a mere "bassist"), an innovative lead guitarist, and a screaming force of nature for a vocalist. Definitely sprouting from the same blues roots as Zep. And, yet...Zeppelin is a band often cited as a metal pioneer. The Who, not so much. 

Searing vocals, crunchy guitar, in-your-face attitude...are these the heavy metal hallmarks? *Flipside to the AC/DC question: Is Queen a heavy metal band? Have you heard Stone Cold Crazy?

I've been a KISS fan for most of my cognizant life. And while they're also sometimes cited as metal pioneers, I don't consider them to be a heavy metal band. Sure, they played "heavy" in both style and subject, at times. But they're mostly just flat-out hard rock. Sure, they dabbled in pop and disco, and even "Hair Metal"....which I also argue is not really heavy metal. If Bon Jovi, by extension, was considred a metal band, then why not, say, Huey Lewis and the News?  Up-tempo, guitar driven melodies that suburban kids could party to...




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I love the evolution of music. Whenever I listen to metal, I always think, at the back of my mind, about evolution. How they kept cranking up the volume, how blues evolved, how rock evolved, how metal evolved - and all the pioneers that cranked up the volume.

I'd really love to travel back in time to, say, 1920, and play a metal tune (Iron Maiden's "Aces High") in a small club. What would they make of it?
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 John Byrne wrote:
Itís unavoidable, isnít it? With every day that passes something else from my youth becomes 50 years old!

I'll try not to post an anniversary topic next year for the 50th anniversary of SCOOBY-DOO, WHERE ARE YOU?...
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My Led Zep claim to fame is that my brother stopped
Robert Plant from entering The Wolves shop, as there
were too many in their already, he`s a steward at The
Molineux and takes his responsibilities seriously,
legend or not!
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My take is that they are definitely a rock band. A rock band with blues influence (and folk). I also consider them a kind of proto-heavy metal band. As Brian says, they are considered metal pioneers. I don't view The Who as metal.

I think the problem is that what Zep and Black Sabbath were forging back in the day -- heavy, bluesy rock -- as the beginnings of heavy metal, then transmuted over the years, becoming faster and far less bluesy. So we look at an archetypal metal band like Iron Maiden or Judas Priest and see how it differs from Zep and then question how Zep were metal.

And in 1920, they'd probably throw you in jail or off the end of a pier, Robbie!
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I'm sure I would, Peter! :)

I like discussions about music evolution. I also know it can be futile to pigeonhole anyone. I mean, Johnny Cash?! Rock? Country? More of one? Both? Where does the line begin? Where does a fan start?

I mean, KISS are rock, but if I ask someone to listen to "Beth" (from the album DESTROYER), they might wonder what they are listening to, if they had expected hard rock/glam rock/metal.
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Posted: 18 September 2018 at 6:27pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Why canít it all just be rock Ďní roll? Why does it have to have so many labels? Metal. Nu-metal. Hard rock. Pop rock. Punk rock. Alternative rock. Goth rock. Blues rock. Southern rock. Surfer rock. Skater rock. Country rock. Ugh

To quote Billy Joel, ďitís still rock Ďní roll to me.Ē
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Brian, I am with you on that (sort of).

Even a devoted metalhead like myself feels that that "sub-divisions" are getting a tad silly. We're not even having sub-divisions of a genre; we're having sub-divisions of sub-divisions!

Over breakfast (each day), I fully expect to read that thrash metal, a subgenre of extreme metal, has "sub-divided" into 6 or 7 sub-divisions. 

What's a guy to do, eh?
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My brother passes Powerplay magazine to me when he`s
read it, the album reviews have the genre noted, often
it`s something like "Symphonic, Folk, Death Metal" which
often raises a titter from me, especially when the group
photo is of a band of beardy viking types in white/black
ghoulish face paint!
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