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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 12 September 2018 at 10:21am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Henry Cavill will NOT be returning to play Superman in any future DC Films Universe films.


Looks like DC films will be doing a reboot or simply going with individual, stand-alone movies for a while.

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"This effectively removes an actor of Cavill's age from the storyline's equation given that Superman, aka Kal-El, would be an infant, according to DC lore."

Uhm... what? I don't follow that line of logic, re: a Supergirl entry in the DC cinematic universe.
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Ready for a Black Superman?
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Considering how far removed every DC movie has been from the source material, I guess I am ready for a Superman who is Black. Specifically hiring a white actor isn't going to make the DCU any better at this point.  They shoud realy just whipe the whole thing out and start over.

I'll admit, my love of Zach Levi does have me interested in Shazam, though.
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Ready for a Black Superman?

Michael B. Jordan (CREED, BLACK PANTHER) is rumored to have been offered the role as the new Superman.

https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/09/12/superman-michael-b-jorda n-dc-movies/

To which I must ask - why not just make an ICON movie?!



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There's a difference, in my humble opinion, between the MCU and DCEU. I came up with an analogy (which I am never good at), one I've shared with real-life friends.

The MCU is the "construction firm" that surveyed the land, ensured it had the right materials, and built it on a solid foundation over time. Their "houses", love them or hate them, serve a function.

The DCEU is the "cowboy construction firm" that wanted a piece of the action - and rushed its houses into production. It rushed many aspects, didn't get the right materials, and built on a 'foundation' of sand. And those "houses" seem very shaky now. I have little faith in them.

It just feels like the MCU is the rider that is firmly and efficiently holding the reins of the horse while the DCEU is the rider who has lost control of the reins of the horse - and is heading for a cliff.

It's sad.


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It just feels like the MCU is the rider that is firmly and efficiently holding the reins of the horse while the DCEU is the rider who has lost control of the reins of the horse - and is heading for a cliff.

It's sad.

Was it JB that said "Nobody wants to be first, but everybody wants to be second?" 
Seems like everyone wants to build universes now; DC, Universal, Hasbro, etc.
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They should nab Jordan to star as John Stewart in a Green Lantern movie.

Shame about Cavill. I always thought the problems with his movies were the scripts (and too-dark costume), not him. I think he could play an excellent Superman, if ever given the chance.
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 12 September 2018 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

More convinced than ever that the execs at Warner Bros have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what they're doing with their movie franchises.... maybe this is a good time to test the waters on TV... CW's Superman (Tyler Hoechlin) works fine in the part and those shows are proving to be successful. Give him his own show!

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Cavill was let down by the scripts and the direction of the series of movies. He was relegated to a supporting character at times as well.

There was nothing wrong with his performance, and it is a shame we won't get to see him do the role in a movie that benefit his talent.
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Was it JB that said "Nobody wants to be first, but everybody wants to be second?"

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Well, I certainly repeated it!

(Tho I didn’t phrase it as a question.)

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(Tho I didn’t phrase it as a question.)

Heh. I mess that up all the time. Along with it's/its. 
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Getting a little sick of DC and their throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks
This constant rebooting, rumours of a black Superman. For crying out loud
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Throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks seems to be the approach, and I don't like it, either, James.

Okay, some of the blame may lie at the door of clickbait sites, but I mean, it's hard to fathom some things out. Is Ben Affleck still Batman or isn't he?
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Nic Cage being “demanded” by the internet — says the internet.
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Warner bros, and Cavill's agent have
both issued statements saying reports
aren't true. No decision has been made
one way or the other, regarding Cavill
playing Superman.
Screen Rant has lots of articles on
this. Their speculation is that this
has all been a contract negotiation
ploy.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Rather they don't make any new Superman movies at all than further dismantle a character that has endured for 80 years. 

A black Superman makes about as much sense as a white Black Panther. But those kind of arguments seem invalid these days. You either think race-swapping is a good thing or you're against diversity. No exceptions, no middle ground. 
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Posted: 13 September 2018 at 2:21am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Personally, the main problem I have with this news is that I don't care.
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I also agree that Cavill is an excellent Superman, he's
just been saddled with some appalling films. I think
they'll really struggle to fill his boots - the character
is a lot more than a big guy in a cape punching people.

Sadly, in this current climate of 'diversity at all
costs' I think a black Superman is inevitable.

(See also James Bond)
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Posted: 13 September 2018 at 4:33am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

People have their opinions on the Marvel movies, but at least in Kevin Feige they have a consistent vision and plan.

WB are just throwing every idea an executive thinks of at these movies, and hoping it sticks and works. 
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I don't want to lay the blame entirely at WB's door as I don't think clickbait headlines are totally blameless.

However, it does seem that one hears different things on a seemingly weekly basis. One month something is canonical, the next month it isn't. Is everyone singing from the same hymn sheet?
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A black Superman makes about as much sense as a white Black Panther. But those kind of arguments seem invalid these days. You either think race-swapping is a good thing or you're against diversity. No exceptions, no middle ground.

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As witnessed in HAMILTON, where actual historical personages get their races swapped, in the name of "diversity".

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I'll admit, my love of Zach Levi does have me interested in Shazam, though.

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This is how Hollywood wins. Cast a likable actor, and all other considerations can be discarded.

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This seems to me to be where things get all screwy with movies about established characters. As noted, Marvel has almost no problem with this* with their movie characters.

But DC, as noted, flings its dung against the wall to see what sticks. A black Deadshot seemed to be the start, and while I love Will Smith's acting and characters (usually), it didn't fit the character history for me.

So... Kal-El, Bruce Wayne, Diana, Hal Jordan**, etc. are white. Always have been. Perry White, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Alfred Pennyworth, Robin, Iris Allen***, Carol Ferris have always been white.

You can't eat your cake and have it too. Want to add a variation on a theme? Add a new character. By this point, DC seems to have screwed up their characters in movies so much that new characters don't feel that outrageous. Introduce a love interest for Clark Kent who's black. Give Batman a Robin who's Hispanic or female.**** Have Diana meet a boyfriend who's Mediterranean - heck, that's almost logical. Make the publisher of the Daily Planet a woman from Southeast Asia.

New characters have come and gone many times in so many comic stories. I think it hurts nothing if DC would be consistent with their "legacy" characters and just bring in new ones. They have WHAT exactly to lose?


* Although I'm still annoyed as hell about a female Ancient One.
** Yes, there was Nubia. And while Hal Jordan is a white male, a Green Lantern doesn't even have to be HUMAN. I would love to see Katma Tui introduced.
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**** Again? But that trick never works!
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This seems to me to be where things get all screwy with movies about established characters. As noted, Marvel has almost no problem with this* with their movie characters.

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Once again, a feeling that I have completely wasted the past 40 years of my life.

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