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Greg Kirkman
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20 minutes away, for me. Same theater I got to see STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN at, last year. I’ve read comments online from some people who live quite far away from participating theaters, but will be making the trip regardless. It’s not even a question for them of whether or not to go!
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There is a theater about 10 minutes from my house that hosts Fathom Events, but not ALL Fathom Events. So, they'll beam live opera and some sports, even new specialty stuff (they carried RETURN OF THE CAPED CRUSADERS, the Adam West/Burt Ward animated release). But they don't usually do the classic movies. It's irksome. The next closest theaters that do are about 60 miles out. 

So, I may have to sit this SUPERMAN release out. We'll see. I was lucky enough to see it when it was originally released in theaters.

Same with BATMAN: MOTP.  But I would love to see both again.

And, of course, neither will be at the local theater. 
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Posted: 03 October 2018 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Got my ticket.

Same theater as the Star Trek II showing last year.
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I usually go to these re-releases on my own, but my 11-year old daughter, quite out of the blue, suddenly expressed interest in wanting to finally see SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE.  Even though I already own the DVD and the "extended editions" Blu-ray, she wants to wait and tag along with me when I see it in November.

Yay!



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Posted: 07 October 2018 at 9:16am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Just got my ticket.

I would have traveled all the way to Otisburg to see this on the big screen again!


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Posted: 07 October 2018 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I wonder if this will be the original original, replete with those occasional moments when Superman’s costume turns green!
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If they really are remastering the movie for 4K, then there's a chance it'll be the original.

I believe that nearly all of the prior DVDs and Blu-Rays are based upon the digitally color-corrected master made for the 2000 home video release.


However, extended TV cut Blu-Ray from last year is completely authentic in its color-timing, right down to the turquoise suit used in the bluescreen shots. And I think that that transfer represents the best the movie has looked on home video. I'm not a fan of revisionist color-grading or excessive grain removal for older films.
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I'm sure others on this Forum must have posted this link in the past, but the "Caped Wonder" website is a staggering, stupendous and invaluable resource, for anyone who wants to revisit the hype-machine that was in full force--before, during & after the Dec. 1978 premiere.


Truly wonderful stuff, many images and products I distinctly remember from back in the day (when I would have only been 6 years old!).



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This just gets better and better. They’re gonna be screening “The Mechanical Monsters” (the Fleischer Superman short) prior to the movie.

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Got my ticket for MASK OF THE PHANTASM for next Monday.

Haven't decided on which day to see SUPERMAN yet; I think the closer
to Christmas (when it was originally released), the better!
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MASK OF THE PHANTASM: the best Batman animated story that very few people ever saw. Right?
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MASK OF THE PHANTASM: the best Batman animated story that very few people ever saw. Right?

The best Batman film (animated or otherwise) that few people ever saw!
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Watched the "Honest Trailer" for THE KILLING JOKE. Starts out by referring to the graphic novel as the "best Batman/Joker story ever", which wins no kudos from me. Seems the movie padded out the misogyny and, if possible, made the whole thing worse.

Problem is, y'see, it was the ART that made the original "work", and that's not here.

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...the "best Batman/Joker story ever"...
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Ouch. That line does a great disservice to the Batman / Joker stories that preceded this story.
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I do find it kind of peculiar how often the success of Killing Joke is linked to Alan Moore and not Brian Bolland. Don't get me wrong, the writing is quite skillful, (though definitely not Moore's best.) But even as a kid, it was Bolland's art that really made this story stand out.

I suppose it's just too good though for an animated adaption to really capture.
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Posted: 16 November 2018 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Bad news. :(


Looks like we're getting the 2001 mix. At least I'll save $15.
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Damn it.  Oh well, I still need to see this on the big screen, regardless.



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Ditto. Still very disappointing, though.

I haven't heavily researched it, but I seem to recall reading that they couldn't find the six-track stems to do a proper surround mix of the original audio.

Surely things have changed in the past 18 years so as to enable them to do a proper home video version of the original six-track mix, but it probably came down to cost or those elements still being missing.

I'd settle for a theatrical presentation of the 2.0 stereo track that's on the DVDs/Blu-Rays. A surround mix would be great, but I'd still prefer the original audio, rather than the 2000 remix.
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...wait a minute.

It looks like the 4K disc comes with a 5.1 remix created from the 70mm six-track tapes, as well as a new Dolby Atmos version of the 2000 mix.


So, they DID create a new 5.1 surround mix of the original theatrical audio, but are using the 2000 mix just to show off the new Atmos remix of the latter?!?!???

ARGH!!!!
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Exactly.

It was wrong to ever remix the film in 2001, despite comments from
Michael Thau (who oversaw the restoration). According to Thau, they
had stereo tracks and they couldn’t split apart their original mix without
making everything go into mono. That apparently necessitated
replacing the music and the whole mix.

Personally, I think that's a myth and the reality is Thau didn't like the
mix, decided it needed to be upgraded, Donner (for some reason)
approved, and the rest was history.

Comments from Thau from 2006 (when the films were being re-
released and the original soundtrack was being made available) seem
to somewhat confirm this. From this interview:
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Q: Can you address at all some of the criticisms that have been voiced
over the sound on the 2001 "Superman" movie versus the original 1978
sound? [Thau was already aware of the problem with the new
"Superman" DVD not including the 1978 audio].

A: I'm dying for [Warners] to get those discs right on "Superman I" and
for everyone to hear what the "Superman I" discs really sounded like.
When you hear how poor that [1978] mix sounds by today's standards,
how brittle it sounded, how many generations of dialogue that had built
up because of lots of the changes they did to the [first] film. Most of the
sound effects were optically recorded sound effects. Optical. Not even
mags. They were on mags. They were using mag at the time but a lot
of the sound effects that people had in the library were recorded
optically. A lot of the big impact sound effects - explosions or something
big breaking what they really were, were big wood rips recorded
optically with distortion in them or electric sparks. I mean, I am anxious
for everyone to hear that original mix.
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Friends I know who already have the 4k release say the original mix
sounds stunning. It's a shame that folks seeing the film theatrically
won't be able to hear it.


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Posted: 20 November 2018 at 1:23am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Review of the 4K disc release:

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This re-release continues to be frustrating... now it turns out the only area Cinemark theater even showing it (out of at least 3), is deciding for some reason to only show it on Dec. 3, a Monday night..

Why advertise 3 different dates, but only show on one???  (I work and have kids, I would have preferred one of the Sunday matinees.)



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Watched the "Honest Trailer" for THE KILLING JOKE. Starts out by referring to the graphic novel as the "best Batman/Joker story ever", which wins no kudos from me. Seems the movie padded out the misogyny and, if possible, made the whole thing worse.

Problem is, y'see, it was the ART that made the original "work", and that's not here.


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That movie was horrendous. The first half they tacked on with Batgirl and Batman on the rooftop...Sweet Christmas!

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Posted: 25 November 2018 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Just got back from today's showing...

40 years later, and it holds up very well.

The scenes in Smallville definitely belong on the big screen. And I felt like a kid again, watching the helicopter rescue sequence.   
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Saw it yesterday.

While the audio and picture were from the 2001 mix (no turquoise costume), it did not include any of the additional scenes added to the 2001 release (such as the added scene of Superman at the Fortress or the guns/fire/ice scenes in Luthor's lair. 

All things considered, it was a lot of fun to see this movie on the big screen again, even if it wasn't in it's purest form.

 
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