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David Miller
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Now that the buzz has worn off, I've concluded Annette Bening's Supreme Intelligence was one of the lamest supervillains ever. SUPERMAN III's Robert Vaugh was Heath Ledger in comparison; I'd say she was worse than Jared Leto's Joker, but at least she consumed less screen time. With DOCTOR STRANGE two years behind us there's no longer any excuse to save a mind-blowing Kirby-evoking "GAZE UPON MY TRUE FORM!!!" visual for the sequel.

I would have preferred more villainous Skrulls, but I think the way Talos introduced their alternative perspective while his colleague menaced Monica within sight of the adults established clear bona fides nonetheless.

Did I miss Talos specifically saying it was the Kree who destroyed the Skrull Homeworld? I might be mis-remembering, but I thought the passive tense left room for another party behind the destruction, such as we saw in FF #257.
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A fun time at the movies... nothing earth-shatteringly great, but nothing offensively bad, either.  For me, I found it to be a better, stronger film than CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER, THOR or DOCTOR STRANGE, in terms a Part 1 solo outings.  And in terms of recent superhero films, my two youngest kids enjoyed it much more than WONDER WOMAN, and my youngest daughter liked it more than ANT-MAN & THE WASP (though my son didn't think CAPTAIN MARVEL was quite as good as that one).

Another solid entry, and I for one appreciated the quieter moments, after the pop-culture Marvel juggernauts of BLACK PANTHER and INFINITY WAR.  Though once again, the climactic battle looks and plays like a long, drawn-out videogame laser & explosion pummel-palooza.  (I'm probably getting old, but I find these sections the most tiring to sit through.)

All-in-all, still good stuff... as long as Marvel keeps makin' 'em like this, my kids and I will still be there opening weekend.



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I liked Captain Marvel a lot. It had a couple of sluggish stretches, but a very solid MCU entry. Great work by the whole cast, with Larson, Samuel L., Ben Mendelssohn, and Lashana Lynch all standouts. 

The twist on the Skrulls took me very much by surprise, but the movie made it work; still, I hope we get some authentically villainous Skrulls in the future (and as someone pointed out upthread, there's nothing in CM to preclude that).  


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Also:

Upon further reflection, Samuel L. Jackson may be the MVP of this particular MCU entry... in spite of (or maybe because of) the digital de-aging, I don't recall seeing him this loose, funny and good-natured in a long time.  It looked & felt like he was having an absolute blast this time as Nick Fury, and it was an all-around surprisingly warm and charming performance.  

Can't wait to see him in more CAPTAIN MARVEL films with Brie Larson and Goose, they were all great together!




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Saw it this evening and loved it. Brie Larson did a really good job and the first after the credits scene got a pretty loud response from the audience! I hope that we haven't seen the last of Monica Rambeau. 

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* One of the appealing things about Monica Rambeau in the comics was her relationship with her parents. By all means, make her mom a pilot, but there was no need to write out the Dad.

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I also didn't like that they wrote her father out. Monica being raised by a single mother just reinforces that negative stereotype of the Black father being absent from the home and not help raising his kids.
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$153 million US domestic & $455 million worldwide. One of Marvel’s biggest openings & smashes Wonder Woman’s figures.

Amazing figures.


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Failure. 
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I dug it. Not top tier, but a good, fun movie. I really liked how they blended both Carol's and Mar-Vell's backstory. Very well done. Liked the Rambeaus. I REALLY hope we get to see grownup Monica in Endgame. The best two scenes in the movie were the credits scenes. Anyone with indoor cats will appreciate that one. And if the other doesn't get you ready for Endgame, nothing will. 

I totally fell in love with Brie Larson. 
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Saw it tonight - and liked it, but I think it's probably in the bottom third of Marvel's movies.

I really enjoyed Jude Law as Yon-Rogg, but not really a fan of the way they handled both characters played by Annette Bening (the Supreme Intelligence and Mar-Vell).

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I read this thread and once again feel as if I have wasted the last 40 years of my life.
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Why exactly?
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"...the ability to survive in space (without a special face mask)"

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Hmm, seems like I saw that face mask appear when she manifested the helmet before her last descent to Earth, but don't recall it when she lead the Skrull's away at the end.

That's what I saw, too. No face mask while leading the Skrulls out.  I guess with everything else that manifested, she figured, hey, maybe I can breathe in space (or don't have to breathe). 

So far, I think Thor and Ego are the only other characters in the MCU shown to survive prolonged exposures "naked" in space. 

Oh, and she could handle the Tesseract. Being "born" from it probably helped. 


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More and more frequently nowadays Marvel will put out a movie, cartoon or comic that will remind me that I'm not their target audience anymore (I'm a 56-year-olds after all).  I still enjoy the large majority of their movies (can't say the same for the comics since I don't read many of them anymore), and Captain Marvel falls somewhat into the "this is for a different audience".  And I'm fine with that.  I was entertained, but I did see some minor things that I didn't think needed changing but they got changed for the sake of telling the story they wanted to tell.


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Adam Hutchinson - 

I would never presume to speak for JB, but I can say for myself that I'm always amazed when comic book "fans" eat up every new comic book movie with a spoon, no matter how far off from the source material it is.

Worse still from my perspective is when those same "fans" defend the changes made by hollywood as "necessary" in order to appeal to a wider audience.

In my mind if you only feed someone a TV dinner, how will they know if they even would prefer a gourmet meal?
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Casey... paint with a broad brush much?

Define "eating up every new comic book movie with a spoon."  Is anyone here saying that CAPTAIN MARVEL is the greatest movie ever made?  Some people like it, some people love it, others may not be impressed.

And just because changes are invariably made to most, if not all, big-screen attempts, that surely doesn't mean every single one has been a "TV dinner."  Some have certainly been better than others.

No need for anyone to take a dump on fans who enjoy these films for what they are.  Getting into the "I'm a better fan than those fans over there" mentality is a slippery slope.



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I have several friends who have never been comic book fans that love the movies.  I don't think that makes them any less valid as fans.  Maybe less invested, maybe not, but stories have been adapted for years  - take the blond-haired, Shakespearean dialogue Thor stories put out by Marvel for example.

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Casey Sager
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Shaun - I do paint with a broad brush and I wish it were based on purely anecdotal evidence, but I have seen too many fans here and on other boards I belong to absolutely gush over the majority of these movies...no matter how bad they are.

I'm not going to tell anyone what they can or can't like, but I'll admit that at first I was surprised. Non comic book fans don't know any better, so why would they care? 

In my fantasy world I would like to see Marvel specifically attempt to pay more than just a little lip service to the source material and make a more faithful adaptation of one of the classic characters...just to see if it's successful.
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Re: “In my fantasy world I would like to see Marvel specifically attempt to pay more than just a little lip service to the source material and make a more faithful adaptation of one of the classic characters...just to see if it's successful.”

Totally get where you are coming from, but the crazy question is... What source material would that be? Those concepts on the printed page have been rebooted and reimagined and retconned and remixed and even premixed with the movies in mind. That’s not even counting Ultimate Nick Fury. :) 

“Kids today” have no idea what it means to pay “just a little lip service” to the source material... We grumpy old men *not only* had to walk a mile for a block of ice, we had to deal with Cap as an Evil Knievel knock-off, a Spider-Man who fought no super villains, a Banner named David, H.E.R.B.I.E. instead of the Human Torch and a psychiatrist Dr. Strange... Captain Marvel departs from/remixes the source material?  At least they didn’t make her into a scientist who discovers a potion that allows her to turn into Earth’s Mightiest Avenger, agent of K.R.E.E., to fight against the evil forces of S.K.R.U.L.L. who are trying to activate a volcano under Manhattan with the Supreme Intelligence Laser or something like that!  BUT... let’s see how sticking more closely to the source material does... Oh, it does almost half a billion dollars opening weekend! :)))
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Not up there with the best of them, but I enjoyed it for the most parts (though how Fury lost his eye was just damned stupid). 
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I liked it a lot.
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Y’know what else was cool about Capt. Marvel?

No love interests....anywhere...at anytime for anyone.

No kissing.

No flirting.

Refreshing.


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No kissing, no flirting, no love is a good thing. I got the memo, now I got to get with the program ... thank you. 
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Saw it with the GF on Sunday. She had ZERO awareness of the character or
supporting cast going in...her favorite Marvel film so far.

I just thought the whole cat thing seemed to come out of nowhere...
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If romance doesn't have anything to do with the story (and here it didn't), it shouldn't be in the story.  It may well have been unnecessary in Wonder Woman. Same can be said of action scenes.  Plenty of times a big action set piece sequence got frozen into the design (possibly from the expense) and ended up not helping anything.  The droid factory sequence in Attack of the Clones for instance could have been half the length and gotten the point across.  Or 90% of the action in The Legend of Zorro (the sequel to the '98 Banderas movie).  Lots of nothing happening at great speed.

Having seen it again, I note some positively novel features that are pretty unusual in an origin movie:

They didn't burn the whole first act getting her into the costume.  In retrospect, I do wish during the raid on the Skrull planet that Yon-Rogg had ordered "stealth protocol" or something and the Star Force uniforms all go black.  Five seconds would have established the color-changing ability more than an hour before it was needed for the scene where Monica helps pick her Captain Marvel colors.

They didn't spend a lot of time on pointless scenes of her coping with her new powers. She *wanted* to use them, other people kept trying to keep her from doing so for their own reasons, so when she finally did it was a big cathartic moment.

They spent enough time on the friendship angle that ended up having a several really nice payoffs in the plot, even in the action.  Maria can fly the Skrull civilians out because she's a pilot.  And she can fight the quadjet because she's a *fighter* pilot. The time spent on the relationship also had the effect of pulling the pace down so the fast parts now felt fast (common enough, but a useful approach.  E.g., the original Star Wars does this).  

It's as if Anna Boden and the screenwriting team had watched a lot of superhero movies and made notes about tropes that were either getting tired or didn't work well.

Despite having limited screentime, I find myself lamenting Minn-Erva's demise.  Gemma Chan brought a lot of screen presence. 
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