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Robert Shepherd
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Posted: 09 August 2018 at 7:26pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I am so amazed at how our world has changed due to the internet - and more specifically YouTube and now Twitch.

I've just started hanging around Twitch and there is one (good looking, gotta admit) gal there who entertains by dancing to some console dance game and/or doing cosplay ASMR (which is something I've never heard of before but have found it's a whole sub-culture). It's not my thing, to be honest, and I'm not knocking it, but she has over 500K followers and is probably making (by my estimate) over $150K per MONTH doing what she does, and she works 12 hours a day doing it. I'm both baffled by what the internet will sponsor and impressed that every-day people are inventing news ways to make a living doing what they love to do.

There are a bazillion gamers on Twitch, of course, and many make far more than the dancing gal.

There are Musicians and DJs, and Artists, and Table-Top Gamers, etc. who have invested money in to their own personal TV studios, with lighting, effects, multiple camera views...what ever they can think of. One chap puts on concerts each night, and for his genre he's damn good.

Once you get over the absurdity of it all, you might come to appreciate, as I finally have, how cool this really is.

So the point of this topic is really to open up a discussion about the power of Social Media and how it has changed the world, for better or for worse.

Talk about what amazes/baffles/inspires/sickens you about Social Media.




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Until you mentioned it, i had never heard of Twitch, i
must keep up!
It does amaze me that Youtube bloggers can earn a living
basically talking about stuff!
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I'm brand new to it. I had heard of it as a tool to allow gamers to record their game play, but I never knew it was going beyond that and allowing to what equates to your own TV broadcasting channel. Very......different. 

So the YouTubers that are making money off their game videos are making more additional money while on Twitch.

It's madness I say.
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Sounds like easy money!
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I follow several folks on YouTube. I have Twitch but dont
really used it-YET. Then there is Twitter which is an
identity politics dumpster fire. You are either a Social
Justice Warrior demanding people identify you by your
preferred pronoun or you are an Alt-Right Facist Nazi. If
you were either of these before you started to Tweet, you
will soon pick a side. Yuck.

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Going of at a slight tangent (sorry) but seeing Social Justice Warrior written out in full rather than abbreviated to SJW suddenly made me think how odd it is that the term is used pejoratively. You'd think fighting for justice in society would be a good thing - isn't that what Superman does after all?
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I'm not criticizing, because more power to someone that
can figure out a way to monetize something seemingly
ridiculous, but my head-shake moment was discovering
that people make a living opening things on Youtube -
"unboxing" videos. Just, wow.
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Imagine making a few hundred dollars in just an hour,
just for starting a live stream and talking to your
viewers and let them ask you questions.

I bet doctors are mad for all the hell they had to go
through to make that much.

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Full Youtubers and Twitch streamers with an audience of hundreds of thousands suffer enormous mental health issues at a very young age.

Here is an article on the impact of living your life completely online, performing for 12 hours a day 7 days a week. When they take a vacation, their income can drop instantly for each day they are off.  Unlike other professions they are completely at the whim of their audiences as they are audience paid, and if the platforms they are on capriciously change their terms of service constantly without consultation. It sounds like it is ridiculously easy, and I understand why kids want to enter this and become a personality but I can't imagine a more stressful way to make money, because it can literally disappear overnight.

Comparing Doctors to streamers is a false equivalency of stunning proportion.

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Andrew, i agree, but i think SJW refers to the types who
take it to the limit,and as Stephen said, if you don`t
share their opinion you`re a Facist Nazi.
I stay off Twitter!
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Comparing Doctors to streamers is a false equivalency of stunning proportion.

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The Money Nation estimates give PewDiePie an average salary of $12 million per year, which equates to an hourly rate for a 40-hour week of $3.400 per hour. Not bad for a university dropout whose parents wanted him to get a safe job. Safe jobs like doctors, who received $94 per hour on average, teachers, $28, and software engineers on $37 per hour, somehow just don’t compare.

Just saying.




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Robert,

I don't make the same amount of money as Jeff Bezos, which what you are comparing here. The average successful youtuber makes less than $80k a year. Pewdiepie (I hate this guy) and others like scumbag Logan Paul are not the norm, they are the exception.

Imagine living your life 12 hours a day performing for an audience that if you deny them their desires for an instant, can destroy your income. It's a nightmare.

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but my head-shake moment was discovering 
that people make a living opening things on Youtube - 
"unboxing" videos. Just, wow.

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Trevor - This is a great example. I think the most mind boggling revelation is that there are SO many people more interested in a stranger's life than they are of their own lives.

For me, I've only just recently come to terms that the world is a lot crazier then I ever gave it credit.....and maybe I'm the odd man out...;-)

But wait....I come to a forum every day to read what strangers have to say........hm.......
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I witnessed a very average youtuber, with around 60k
followers, make a few hundred dollars in an hour by
super chat donations.

There were only 800 to 1200 followers watching too, not
60k.

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Imagine living your life 12 hours a day performing for an audience that if you deny them their desires for an instant, can destroy your income. It's a nightmare.

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I live my life working 12 hours a day (sometimes) performing for an audience (my clients) that if i deny them their desires in an instant (performance and results), can destroy my income. It's a nightmare.

Sounds like a real job, with real stress. How they choose to handle that stress and balance their lives is the real issue.

I completely agree btw, that being a successful YouTuber and maintaining your market share is a huge amount of work. You have to OWN your own business and manage your brand. 
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I witnessed a very average youtuber, with around 60k 
followers, make a few hundred dollars in an hour by 
super chat donations. 

There were only 800 to 1200 followers watching too, not 
60k.

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Thomas - you hit the other phenomenon - how loyal followers are willing to throw money so quickly at their favorite stars.
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My real job requires 8 hours a day and because I have an employer and live in a place with strong labor laws, I cannot lose my income over a fit of pique. I am not a dancing monkey ordered to please the king.

I have no fears of making my clients mad when they ask me to do something stupid and I explain why I won't. 

My performance review is a perfunctory quarterly process that has no impact on my career rather than a raise. 

I am paid overtime when I work more than 40 hours a week. I have my personal privacy and have the ability to deny work that might intrude into my personal time. 

I am not controlled by my audience of clients and nor do I live in fear of their disapproval. I am also not 25.

I feel like those who think being a streamer is the easy life should give it a shot before they deny these people sympathy.

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I'm not trying to say it is a bad thing. If they can
pull it off, great. I was just saying for those who go
though a much harder ordeal to get a similar pay could
be annoyed by it.

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Going of at a slight tangent (sorry) but seeing Social Justice Warrior written out in full rather than abbreviated to SJW suddenly made me think how odd it is that the term is used pejoratively. You'd think fighting for justice in society would be a good thing - isn't that what Superman does after all?

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Social Justice Warrior used to be a positive term. On the internet, it became a pejorative for a certain type of internet armchair quarterback on social issues who possessed a very shallow understanding of the issue they were espousing. The implication being that the person really didn't care about the issue and was just using the stance to claim moral superiority over others, and by doing so, drowning out the voices of /real/ activists.

During the GamerGate brouhaha, the term was co-opted by what later became the alt-Right to dismiss /anyone/ who argued for a progressive or inclusive stance. So anyone using SJW with that connotation is adopting their agitprop.
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 I knew about Twitch but never really engaged it until last year when "Friday the 13th: The Game" came out.  I'm not much of a gamer but I'm a horror fan so I got the game and enjoyed it.  I also wasn't great at it so I did jump first onto YouTube to find videos of tips, then started seeing some people posting videos of them playing, which I also ended up watching and enjoying.

I watched a couple live streams of streamers even and it was a fun way to distract me for a month or two.  No different than watching TV, I guess.  

I'm not a big enough gamer to really keep up with it, but I did send one of the streamers a few bucks, since I'd watched him play for a month or so and I could afford $5 pretty easily.  
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"But wait....I come to a forum every day to read what
strangers have to say........hm......."

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And this is why I try my damndest not to judge! I pause
for a moment and think about how strange MY parents find
some of the things I do/have done!
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Then there is Twitter which is an identity politics dumpster fire.  You are either a Social Justice Warrior demanding people identify you by your preferred pronoun or you are an Alt-Right Facist Nazi.
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You should jump over to Wil Weaton's blog and read his last couple of posts about how horrible Twitter can be.
http://wilwheaton.net/

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Twitter is the platform I understand the LEAST.

Facebook is good for interacting with your audience.
Instagram is good for promoting your visuals.

But Twitter, while made specifically for the impulsive, smartphone addict, just doesn't make sense to me. It seems to be a bunch of one-side comments, a garble of incoherent hyper-rants. I freely admit I'm just the old man here, not getting this new fangled technology.
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Apparently the actress playing Batwoman in the new
Arrowverse series has left Twitter after fan backlash.
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