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Olav Bakken
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Posted: 08 August 2018 at 8:18am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Now when it seems like nothing can stop the deal between Disney and Fox, along with the rights to Fantastic Four and X-Men, then perhaps it is finally the end of the Fox versions of these titles.

I have never really liked any of these movies. Characters are used only once before being disposed, and have few if any similarities with who they are supposed to be.

Not really surprising, since Singer and others have never bothered about comics and had never read the source material.

The concept of the X-Men according to Fox; in a world where the only superhumans are mutants who live in hiding, there are good mutants and bad mutants. Normal humans hates all mutants. The good mutants goes to a school called Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters, where they are either students or teachers. Some guy named Magneto is the leader of the bad mutants.

"This is how the characters look, these are their names, and these are their powers. And forget all about the comics." (Regarding their costumes, in X-Men: Days of Future Past, they looks like something out of the TV-show The Tribe.)

And call it nitpicking, but I really didn't enjoy how it was executed. Kitty Pryde's powers were shown by having her randomly run through a door while Wolverine is looking at with a confused look.
The same with the small children playing ball; "hey, using powers is cheating". Or the obese guy transforming into a skinny guy to fit between the chairs.
And for some reason it really disliked the scene where all the kids were staring through the window when the Blackbird took off.

It all feel forced. Demonstrating a power should feel more organic, not randomly added to a scene in an attempt to impress the audience. And the movies presents them like they are the ones who invented the wheel, and the biggest thing since sliced bread. Example; "This is James Madrox, also called Multiple Man. He is here because he robbed three banks. SIMULTANEOUSLEY!!!"

Another clumsy example; Beast's blue furry hand turned normal when it got close to Leech, and instantly turned back to its blue self when pulled back. The same with the way the scaly Mystique is transforming.

Superhero movies in today's form are not even a couple decades old yet, but the concepts regarding powers, abilities and ideas have been around for a very long time in comics, books and to some degree even TV-shows like Star Trek. But the soulless Bryan Singer movies (amongst others) are presented like it was they who invented all of it.

It would probably work better if they could find a talented director who was and still is a huge fan of the comics (hopefully growing up with pre-Secret Wars comics).


(Edited for title. Keep it brief! — Tim)


Edited by Tim O'Neill on 17 August 2018 at 3:12pm
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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I suspect the corporate powers that be are going to see how well X-MEN: DARK PHOENIX and THE NEW MUTANTS do in movie theaters next year and then make a decision as to whether or not they want to integrate the X-Men, their supporting characters and their adversaries into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Putting them in the MCU would require a complete restart, of course -- ALL previous X-Men/Wolverine movies become non-canonical (Deadpool too, I presume?).

On the other hand, putting the Fantastic Four into the MCU wouldn't (won't?) be that hard. If I was in Kevin Feige's position that's what I would do first. 
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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 3:09pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I hate the FOX versions. I liked Deadpool and the
Colossus in it, but I would be willing to give those up
for a solid reboot.
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Jabari Lamar
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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I think Deadpool is safe. While the argument could be made that the rest of the line is ready for an overhaul, it would be foolish to mess with the Deadpool films while it's still going strong. And thankfully the very nature of the character in the movies, with his 4th Wall-breaking and self-awareness, make him pretty much immune to any continuity changes in other X-Men related material. He can meet the rebooted X-Men and literally make some quip about the Disney takeover, and then just move on with the story.
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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

He can meet the rebooted X-Men and literally make some
quip about the Disney takeover, and then just move on
with the story.

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True! I would like to see that Colossus on a new team
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Ray Brady
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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Deadpool and Colossus are probably the most comics-faithful characters in the entire X-Men movie franchise.
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 8:02pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I dare anyone here to make lists of all the characters in the X-Men movie franchise, divided into “comics-faithful” and “not comics-faithful”, and why. It would be a good laugh, I’m sure,
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Trevor Krysak
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Every comic book movie. Every single one. All of them, are not faithful to the comics. Even films fans consider successes are not the comics. And it's unlikely they ever could be.

The comics are comics and the movies are the movies. It's the same thing adapting a novel or short story. Changes are made. In the case of comics we're mostly dealing with adapting serialized fiction. But even a limited series like Kick Ass has to make changes to become a film.

Adapting anything is about how much is compromised in the process. At no time has that ever been zero.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Posted: 18 August 2018 at 2:08am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

People who think that a Disney/Marvel take-over of X-Men would mean the movies becoming more faithful to the source, are deluding themselves. 

SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING was fun, but faithful? No way. 

I think the battle of source-fidelity has been lost forever. Not just because movie producers will do what they please regardless, but because of constant reboots and make-overs in comics themselves. Case in point: When the show THE FLASH made Wally West black, they were actually being faithful to the comics at that time!

That said, the X-Men franchise is sure to be better in the hands of Marvel, as they at least know how to make a decent movie. 
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Posted: 18 August 2018 at 4:54am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

 I have long given up on printed comic collecting.  I might pick up a title on occasion if the art is appealing.  But my days of hitting my LCS every Wednesday and walking out with 10 or 12 titles is done and over.  I genuinely feel like I’m too old for comics as they exist now.  My memories of them are too rooted in the late 60’s - through the 80’s when I fell in love with Marvel Comics.  It’s 2018 and it would be a waste of time and energy hoping Marvel could go back and do it like I remembered.  Like I loved.

The Marvel Studios movies (specifically) have become a new starting point for me.  I closed the chapter on my printed comic book fandom years ago.  My new fandom has begun with the advent of the MCU.  For my purposes, the MCU is writing (filming) an all new Marvel Comics for me to enjoy.  In my mind, the FF don’t exist....yet...because they have yet to be introduced to the MCU.  Same for the X-Men.  

I’ve made the decision to not spend a minute wishing these movies were dead on replicas of the comics.  To me they are actually doing BETTER than the current comics in representing the characters and telling their stories in a much more cogent and appealing fashion.


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Brian Miller
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I don’t feel I’m too old for comics, I just feel that the comics aren’t being produced to my tastes. 
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