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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 08 August 2018 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I’ve personally had no doubts that the Omaha scenes take place quite some time—years, even—after BREAKING BAD, but...

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An interesting thought, but my take on it given the length of Gene's moustache and the amount of hair he has left is this takes place at least a year after his last appearance on BB.   

Could that overlap with Walt's return in the finale?   Maybe.

I think he's more afraid of what remains of the Cartel and/or Gus's Chilean contacts than Walter.

On another note, there was some interesting symmetry with Gene's "Oh shit, I'm caught" moment with the hospital receptionist over his fake ID and Mike using fake ID to enter that Madrigal facility, where he proceeds to social engineer his way around the place.   Gene's trying to not get noticed and contemplates bolting for the door yet Mike boldly stops to lecture the workers about safe lifting practices.   Pretty much the only LOL-worthy moment in a (required) reflective episode.

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I rewatched the premiere, tonight. Wonderful little detail: Beneke Fabricators was amongst the job postings Jimmy was looking at in the newspaper.


Anyway, everyone keeps saying that Walt and/or Jesse should appear on BCS, at some point. “When” and “how” are the relevant questions. Personally, I think that some unseen moment during Walt’s trip from New Hampshire back to Albuquerque would detract from the story seen in “Felina”. There’s really no reason for Walt to go out of his way to visit Gene/Saul, when his single-minded focus at that point is to gets his money to his kids and kill Jack Welker and his crew.

I rather like Bob Odenkirk’s speculation that maybe Gene learns of Walt’s death on TV (remember, the Heisenberg story became national news and led to a federal manhunt for Walt), and feels hopeful that the heat might now ease off of him just a bit. That he might be able to have an actual life, if the hunt for Heisenberg’s known associates has potentially died down along with Walt. 

I think the another good use of a Walt cameo would be some kind of unseen moment from during BREAKING BAD, when Saul was serving as Walt’s criminal intermediary and council. Or, a completely random moment in a grocery store or whatnot. Mild-mannered high school teacher Walter White (perhaps accompanied by Skyler) walks past Jimmy in a blink-and-you’d-miss-it cameo. That would scratch the itch and be funny.

Whatever Gilligan, Gould, and company come up with, I’m sure it’ll be clever. I think it would need to tie into Jimmy’s story in an organic and meaningful way, OR be a sort of jokey cameo just to have some fun and fanservice without bogging down BCS’ own story.
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I would rather do without the appearances. 
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Or, a completely random moment in a grocery store or whatnot. Mild-mannered high school teacher Walter White (perhaps accompanied by Skyler) walks past Jimmy in a blink-and-you’d-miss-it cameo. That would scratch the itch and be funny.

Agreed.   I think the most organic thing would be to have a non-BB character like Kim or Howard encounter Walt in a totally random and fleeting way.   Just like the Beneke ad, it's the subtle glue in the background rather than the overt fanservice that makes BCS so awesome.


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Agreed.
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I LOVE Better Call Saul. I just finished Season 3 on Canadian Netflix and I can't wait for Season 4

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“Breathe”.



An episode full of simmering tension...and several small explosions. 

There’s Jimmy’s job interview and his extra-tough pitch, which gets him the job. Then, he turns it down. This is perhaps a case of Jimmy not wanting to work for people who could so easily be conned...or maybe he just wanted to see if he’s still got his old magic. Perhaps it’s all because he caught sight of that valuable figurine (a callback to season one’s “Alpine Shepherd Boy”) and decided to botch the interview in favor of stealing the figure and making some quick cash. 

We also get a nice, subtle foreshadowing of Saul Goodman’s eventual mullet/combover hairstyle, as Jimmy brushes away a lose strand of hair prior to his interview.

As with the previous episode, Odenkirk doesn’t get a lot to do, but there’s a subtle difference in his performance, now. When Jimmy is happy, he’s too happy, since he’s clearly both coping with his grief yet also just not caring, anymore. When he’s on the muscle (as in the deliberate botching of his interview), there’s an underlying serio-sarcasm and sternness which we haven’t see before. An anger. There have been any number of scenes in BCS where we’ve seen Jimmy try to woo potential clients and whatnot. Scenes where he’d be joking and pitching and conning, but with a certain charm and warmth in his presentation. Now, however, the warmth is gone. And it’s kinda disturbing. Makes me think that the early Saul Goodman whom BCS will inevitably present us with will be less of a comedic character and more twisted and sad than anything else.

Meanwhile, Rhea Seehorn delivers a powerful performance when Kim chews out Howard. Of course, neither of them know that Jimmy set Chuck’s suicide into motion when he revealed Chuck’s mental illness to the insurance company. And it seems we now have a Chekhov’s Gun in the form of Chuck’s letter.

The ending of this one is pretty terrifying. Shades of “Box Cutter”, with Gus very literally taking a hands-on approach in suffocating Arturo in order to send a message to Nacho. There’s even more resonance, since Victor is there, and will of course be similarly killed by Gus to send a message to Walt and Jesse. “From now on, you...are...mine” is absolutely chilling.

Ever since last season, when Hector began planning to make use of Nacho’s father’s business, Michael Mando has done a fabulous job of conveying Nacho’s growing tension—and quiet terror. This episode takes that to new extremes, as Nacho is compelled by the Salamanca cousins to speak encouraging words to Hector about his recovery, and as Gus asserts control over him. This poor guy has been between a rock and a hard place for some time (beginning with his time in Tuco’s crew), but things are really serious, now.

Yeah, there’s been a major tonal shift, here. 
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All of this, I have a feeling, is building to, "It wasn't me, it was Ignacio!"
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Yep.
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Now we,'re getting into full on  Breaking Bad territory - outside of Mike's backstory in Philly, isn't this the first on-screen murder on this show? And like Breaking Bad's mantra, they found another innovative way to kill someone.

Also, maybe I'm misremembering, but is this the first time they've actually shown Kim and Jimmy be intimate?
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Yes, I do believe Arturo is the first on-screen murder. And it’s very memorable.

And I do believe that was the first real love scene between Jimmy and Kim. Their had their fun at the hotel in season two, and have been living together for awhile, but we’ve never really seen them make out. It’s especially touching, since we know that they’re keeping secrets from each other, and are sort of pretending to be normal and happy while they’re both fraying on the inside.
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This is a lot of fun.

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