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Rob Ocelot
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Posted: 14 August 2018 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Yep, definitely feeling it now.

I'm about 98.77% sure they've dusted off Stewart to lure us into accepting a Kelvin timeline version of Picard or some godawful hybrid mashup of the two universes.  

This is not your old tube TV's Picard.
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So my premonition is thus:  We indeed get a live action STAR TREK series with Picard but something more akin to the YOUNG INDIANA JONES CHRONICLES, with another actor as a younger Picard in pre-TNG flashbacks and Stewart as 'Old Picard' making an appearance to bookend things.   

I think Tom Hardy's salary demands might also make this difficult.  >wink<
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From my understanding regarding “canon” and the licensed material, Star Trek is not quite as strict as Lucasfilm is with their licensed material since they were bought by Disney. The Star Trek novels have built-up and maintained a focused Prime Universe post-Nemesis line, where all the various books, be they focused on the TNG, Voyager, or DS9 characters, or various crossovers, continue in an ongoing timeline in a shared universe. So Peter David would have had to have gotten direct permission to kill off a major character like Janeway, because all other writers going forward would be unable to use Janeway (outside of flashbacks, tales set before her death, clones, etc.), because she is now dead in the ongoing Star Trek novel universe.

 

However I don’t think that the people in charge of the TV or film rights are forced to adhere to the books. Meaning if this new Picard-centric show wants to have Janeway appear on it, and Kate Mulgrew is open to it, or if they wanted to do some other show with Mulgrew as Janeway, I don’t they’ll be stopped from using her, because they have to follow the “canon” of the novels which, comparatively speaking to the audience of the films and TV shows, were read by a small percentage of Star Trek fans.



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Speaking from the inside, Paramount has long maintained that only what they produce is "real" (and not all of that!), and anything else is basically high end fanfic. Were this not the case, I would not have been able to use Kor and Koloth, as they were most efficiently taken out of the loop by James Blish in SPOCK MUST DIE.
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Posted: 15 August 2018 at 2:28pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

because she is now dead in the ongoing Star Trek novel universe.

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And has been brought back to life or has been revealed to be alive despite apparently dying in that Peter David book.

There are some very good Star Trek books (and comics of course), but there is also a load of terrible and average stuff I really think should not be part of canon.
I don't like that the good stuff is not official (but that varies per taste) but I am glad that the bad stuff isn't either.


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No kidding? They brought her back? Well, there you go then.

I mostly got and read the books that featured The Borg, including the one in which Janeway was assimilated and then killed (which I hated, it was a terrible way for her to go out, so I don't mind that they undid that), but the last ones I got were the 3-book Destiny trilogy, with the "final" battle against The Borg. So I haven't followed the line, since then, and thus am unaware of the current status of the various characters.

I also have the so-called "Shatnerverse" books, which I mostly enjoy. I've noted that Shatner (and his "co-writers" the Reeves-Stevens') seems to make an effort to write the stories around "official" events of the films and TV series*, including references to the events of First Contact, and the Dominion War, explaining where Kirk was during that time, so they can fit if you want them to, although none of the prime novels ever make reference to Kirk still being alive in the 24th century.

*With the exception being his last book, where he wrote his own version of Kirk and Spock first meeting in the Academy. That was the one was deliberately listed as "non-canon."


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Posted: 24 September 2018 at 11:38am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Patrick Stewart Shares First Photo From New Picard Series
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So... science/medicine of the future has not solved the problem of human aging?
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No kidding? They brought her back? Well, there you go then.

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The first James Blish TOS novel, SPOCK MUST DIE, placed Kor and Koloth in an unreachable position. I used both in NEW VISIONS without so much as a blink from Paramount.

But when I asked if I could do my own version of how the Klingons got “lumpy” I was told I could not contradicy the TV version, even in what was essentially an “imaginary story”.

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So... science/medicine of the future has not solved the problem of human aging? 
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It'll be interesting to see when the series is set.  Maybe this is Picard at 120 years old.
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It'll be interesting to see when the series is set. Maybe this is Picard at 120 years old.

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They tried that with McCoy, and they made him look every day of it.

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They never even got around to curing male-pattern baldness!
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My absolute favorite moment on TNG* was Picard, “restored” to his proper age after a brief turn as a child, running a furtive hand over his once again bald noggin.

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* Admittedly a low bar!

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https://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/09/24/star-trek-picard-s eries-patrick-stewart-first-photo/

FFS, they should have just titled the article "Patrick Stewart sits in random nondescript chair.   Social media set ablaze".

To boldly bait where no clickbait has gone before...
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"Star Trek" Boss: Picard Leads "Radically Altered" Life In CBS All Access Series
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I'm fine with this take on Picard.  This series is going ahead, fine, whatever, but I needed a reason to grasp onto Picard as the central character nearly three decades since the original series ended.  TNG has not aged well for me at all.  It ties ENTERPRISE as my least favorite iteration save for a few standout episodes.  So if they're bringing back Picard, it should be for a reason and (sorry) that shouldn't be to helm another ship into the great unknown.  This premise sounds...interesting.  On that basis alone, I'm incredibly intrigued and will now keep an eye out for its premiere.  
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I had successfully blocked out the supernova that the Romulans apparently never bothered to observe and that magically travelled through subspace to destroy a planet light years away. Why did you have to remind me, CBS?
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I'm enticed by the crossover potential. Since "the red matter" is a self-congratulatory, some might say masturbatory, nod by the great J.J. Abrams to the creative genius that is the great J.J. Abrams, maybe Picard can try to maintain the fragile peace among the few surviving Romulan peoples while everyone scrambles about for the secret documents to the Rambaldi Device, maybe even bringing agent Sidney Bristow into the 24th and a half century to help look for it. The supernova could have released interstellar Cloverfield monsters which our heroes have to constantly fight off. And then, just when victory seems within our grasp, just when some hope for a bright and prosperous future presents itself... Felicity cuts her hair.

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I am a big TNG fan - especially Picard.  Folding Picard into the Abramsverse has me concerned.  Is this an inventive new direction that will take PIcard into a whole new realm, or is this AFTER M*A*S*H?



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Picard was already folded into this universe with the publication of the IDW series that came out at the time of the first Chris Pine reboot.  Whether that becomes cannon is anyone's guess.
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I found the concept interesting enough to at least give it a look.

Tying it into Nu-Trek may have killed that interest altogether. 
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Well, I'll be on board - any excuse to watch Patrick Stewart chew up the scenery as Picard is good with me! 
Tying it in to NuTrek and the destruction of Romulus doesn't bother me in itself - my interpretation of that would be seeing how the event affected the Prime universe. (My assumption though... we shall see!)

No, what I'm not keen on, and this is true for all iterations of Trek, are any more political wranglings and power struggles in the Romulan, or indeed Klingon, empires. That stuff leaves me cold.

But I suppose that might be like asking for more Star Wars without lightsabers or The Force!
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Don’t fall for it. 

Kurtzman is an idiot. He keeps saying that Spock and Burnham are “half-siblings” in interviews, so that’s the intellectual level we’re working with, here. And, he’s officially confirmed that Mary Sue Burnham will be instrumental in turning Spock (who’s set to have a “crisis of faith”) into the Spock we know from TOS, a development which many critics of STD saw coming from miles away. 

STD (with its complete disregard/contempt for canon, good taste, and good storytelling—to say nothing of magic mushroom engines, identity politics, and bringing in Pike, Spock, and the Enterprise as a desperation move after they said they never, ever would) is on life-support. CBS announcing these other new shows is just a smokescreen to give the appearance that everything is alright. Kurtzman (who brought us such cinematic universe-building classics as THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 and THE MUMMY), like Abrams, is a hack who fundamentally doesn’t understand STAR TREK.

STD has, by any reasonable standard, been a failure. CBS is in full panic mode, now. If the past decade of NuTREK has been any indication, the Picard series (if it ever goes beyond being “in development”) will try to lure fans in with the nostalgia of seeing Stewart in the role again...and then completely f*** everything up. You can’t go home again. And, even if you could, Kurtzman and company are the last people you’d want to take you there. Never give the fans what they think they want. Some stories and characters are better left alone. Seeing Picard go down in flames will be the last straw for a lot of people, I’m sure.

The sooner the Bad Reboot crew gets its tentacles removed from STAR TREK, the better. It’s been a full decade of locusts feasting on this once-great franchise. Fortunately, they legally have to get AbramsTREK 4 (which has been officially cancelled) into production within the next few months in order to retain the rights. That ain’t happening, so it’s all slowly starting to fall apart. Good riddance. 
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Eeeeeyouch, Greg.   

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. :-)


While I'm not calling doom and gloom on this one just yet I do have a sinking feeling they are going to use Picard as a vehicle to legitemize the existence of the Kelvin-verse.   Either Picard is going to get sucked into the alternate timeline like Spock or we are going to see the Kelvin version of the 'red matter event' and it's aftereffects. 

What do you do when your films are box office failures that can't manage to break even?   

Pony up a shitload of money to Patrick Stewart and try again on the small screen!

I'm kind of baffled why Spiner isn't on board with this.   "Too old to play Data" really doesn't wash when the computer technoilogy exists right now to make Brent look as young onscreen as he did in 1988.   I kinda think he's staying away for other reasons.
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