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Fabrice Renault
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Posted: 23 July 2018 at 11:53pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Disney's decision was way too fast.

Forgiving people's past mistakes isn't the christian thing to do nowadays ?

If bad taste can kill your career, we are going to face a lot of "safe movies" in Hollywood in the coming years. Well, maybe that will give more power to independant cinema.
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People say shocking, outrageous, stupid things all the time, sometimes for attention, sometimes for effect, sometimes in the heat of an argument. From the little boy who says "pussy" at dinner table to the college professor who blames "all men" for all evil. You can roll your eyes and move on, you can be genuinely offended and avoid them (or their work), but unless they're truly putting people in danger they should be able to keep their jobs.
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It has been pointed out that the most incriminating
thing is his association with a man named Huston
Huddleston.

{Huston Huddleston posted this video on my Facebook
page with the note “I thought you’d appreciate this.”
My response: “Appreciate it?!! I just **** all over my
own face!!”}

Huddleston is in the Hollywood circles, was convicted
of possessing child pornography and sentenced to time
served, (63 days), given three-years probation. He was
arrested when attempting to hire or coerce a minor to
participate in child porn.





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It has been pointed out that the most incriminating  thing is his association with a man named Huston  Huddleston.

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Don’t start going all QAnon on us, Thomas.
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Posted: 24 July 2018 at 3:12pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

"...start...?"

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"...start...?" 

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Ha! I was just /really/ confused about how this thread shifted from “Gunn got fired for make a bunch of shitty edgelord jokes nine years ago” to “Gunn got fired for hinting at his secret pedophile proclivities” in one post.
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Posted: 24 July 2018 at 4:13pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

So, should Disney keep hiring Tim Allen?  Should they have hired him in the first place? Felony criminal record. Is this less bad than some jokes?
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Tim Allen served his time. So did Victor Salva for that matter. Although some Disney critics were saying that it wasn’t that Disney couldn’t employ him, but that he shouldn’t be allowed in productions with young actors.
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Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that Disney should not have hired Tim Allen.  As you say, he served his time.  Gunn likewise has made good on his attempts at more acceptable behavior.  I bring it up because Allen's offence was serious enough that he was facing life imprisonment, and yet managed an admirable turn around. It's not possible to "serve time" for jokes. (Joke Jail!) And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Twitter even gave him a "time out"?  If I'm right, he didn't even violate the terms of service of the platform.  I'm sensing a spectacular level of hypocrisy in firing him.  

I don't think we are trying to elect Gunn president or make him an astronaut.  The historical pattern of behavior I expect from artists is rather different than from those who have the power to destroy the planet or need sterling math skills and iron temperment.


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Posted: 24 July 2018 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

So...

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Can we all just agree that 99% of posts that begin thus then present invalid counterpoints? It would save so much time!

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Reading it again, I can see where it might come across as "whataboutism." If it did, I apologize.  And if it did, you're right. That's an invalid counterpoint. My intent was to point out selective moral outrage, which I do think is a valid point.

As has been noted up thread, Disney will have some choices to make regarding properties they may soon own which could well affect that image. If they are trying to be more careful crafting their image as their catalog of IP grows, cool. I understand they have a lot at stake, and business decisions would outweigh everything else.
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I'm waiting for Kevin Spacey's voice to disappear from A BUG'S LIFE.
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Posted: 24 July 2018 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Mad respect...

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 Conrad Teves wrote:
Disney will have some choices to make regarding properties they may soon own which could well affect that image. If they are trying to be more careful crafting their image as their catalog of IP grows, cool. I understand they have a lot at stake, and business decisions would outweigh everything else.

As is being discussed on the TV board, Disney really doesn't have many decisions to make with regard to Fox properties they may own should their purchase of the studio become approved.  Disney has long been an owner of Touchstone and Miramax.  They've produced content that runs counter to the Disney brand via their diverse portfolio of studios for decades.  This is not a "crisis of conscious" for them and it does a disservice to the discussion to frame it as if that's what it is.  
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I would think "trying to be more careful crafting their image" for business reasons would have little to actually do with conscience, and more awareness of their customer base.
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"...QAnon..."

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I'm a fairly well informed guy, but I just had to look
this up. I can't even begin to fathom how someone buys
into something like that.
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Disney/Marvel undercuts the essential message of GOTG by firing Gunn. The theme of the first movie, especially, is "we can be better people." If you're chained to the mistakes of your past, you will NEVER find redemption, much less forgiveness.

Gunn made mistakes by joking about those subjects. He knew it. And he apologized and deleted those tweets.

Roseanne, on the other hand, only apologized AFTER she was in danger of being fired and has tried to justify her bad decisions and poor character ever since. I don't see Gunn doing the same thing. The two issues aren't the same and making comparisons is an exercise in flawed logic.

Disney should not have fired Gunn. He's tried to be a better person, he has not shown himself to be the guy who posted those things years ago.

If there's no hope of redemption for one's past mistakes, why should anyone even try to make themselves better? By that logic, it's a waste of time and only saints deserve to be allowed to make art.
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Posted: 25 July 2018 at 7:42am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

The petition for rehire Gunn is getting close to 300K signatures. I would expect it to get out of hand soon.
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Posted: 25 July 2018 at 8:21am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Even if those 300,000 people boycott the movie that would be what - a four or five million dollar hit to the box office of a movie that will probably do close to a billion dollars? Not even a blip on the radar.

If some of the cast would walk, that would probably get the public more wound up but my feeling is that Gunn would not want them to do that.

I'm not of the belief that petitions like this accomplish anything.
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For members of the cast to walk they would have to be in breach of contract. Most of the cast has come out against the decision to fire Gunn. I would think that even if they reach a million signatures nothing would change, but it is a fairly good indication of how the people feel about the firing. My guess is there are many people that feel the firing was unfair and don't care to sign a petition at all.
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Posted: 25 July 2018 at 9:14am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Interesting that Bobcat Goldthwait has requested his voice work be removed from an upcoming Disney park ride.
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I don't think online petitions carry much weight.  You could probably start a petition asking people who endorse his firing to sign it and get a huge number of people as well.

Disney is about protecting their brand and making money.

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I have seen even Trump supporters defending Dan Harmon
with "he was just acting". But as an actor would you
look at a script where you are raping a child and take
the part? Sure someone has to play the bad guy in a
movie and there are some great ones, but this is going
'full retard'.

I think that is something to consider. Actors and
comedians get to choose what they do or say, and
choose what acting role they take. And what they feel
is acceptable as a part, or a joke still reflects on
their character.

I don't know about you guys, but I have heard dirty
jokes in a small group of friends, or sexual jokes
that relate to their preference. But they would never
say these things on facebook/twitter or in front of
people they just met, only with long term friends who
know them well enough to either put up with it or know
he is just joking.

To many people like me, the tweets are pretty shocking
and unhinged. A friend of mine saying "I'm going to go
home a screw the crap out of my girlfriend." vs him
posting that on twitter is a big difference.
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Posted: 25 July 2018 at 3:12pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Actors can talk themselves into anything. "It's important." "It's different this time." "It's satire!"
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Why do people assume Gunn has changed as a person. The only obvious change is that he is smarter when it comes to social media. Deplorable "jokes" and comments made on the web can not be hidden and deleted they are forever. The number of posts on the subject was not being a provocateur, there was little humour if any and it was just creepy. What audience was he playing to? He has changed his behavior but who he is at his core is probably the same. The good, caring man that is being described today was most likely a good caring man then. 

Andrew, Gunn like Rosanne only apologized for these remarks just before he was fired by Disney or just after.










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