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Matt Reed
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 12:52am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I think that's where I am as well, James.  Gunn came out pretty hard against Rosanne and now...this.  I get what David Miller said upthread and the literal sickness I felt at an alt-right provocateur who has said truly hateful and shameful things using Gunn's decade old Tweets to bring him down, but at the end of the day Disney has to act in its own best interests. Yes, they hired someone who had a track record of saying offensive things.  Yes, Disney shares some of the blame for turning a blind eye to past behavior on the internet that, in hindsight, should have been vetted in a much more stringent manner.  But Disney/Marvel has always touted character above creator in everything they do.  Actors who originate roles can be replaced, directors who ask for too much money or (in this case) may sully the brand are ejected.  All to preserve character and franchise above any individual.  

It sucks.  I know James Gunn personally.  I worked closely with him for nearly six months when he was one of the judges on the first season of VH1's SCREAM QUEENS.  He was as honest, caring, kind and professional an individual as you'd ever want to meet.  But Disney was stuck between a rock and a hard place.  At the end of the day business won out.  Shouldn't be surprising, but I am torn nonetheless.  
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 4:15am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

"Young and stupid" seems no longer to be a workable defense. Having been young and stupid -- tho not on this scale -- I wonder how long someone should be held accountable for things said and done in different times.

We all change as years go by. Some of us get worse, but some do get better.

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 6:23am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I think the problem for Gunn is that he has been very very vocal about people who are in similar situations. Which is why there could be only one conclusion to this
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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 7:39am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

So, is Disney going to excise the rape and pedophilia jokes out of Deadpool and Deadpool 2 when they start distributing it?

There's a rape joke in Age of Ultron too, made on their watch. 

Or, do they have some kind of "gross-o-meter" to determine the level of unacceptableness that's acceptable?
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Mario Ribeiro
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 8:51am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

A filmmaker used to be juged by his last movie, now he's judged by something stupid he twitted years ago. Well, since he made those jokes already, what's next? Should he ever be hired to make another big studio movie?

It amazes me how willing we are to fire people. Donald Trump represents a lot of folks.
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 11:23am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Roman Polanski is still employed!
Many `comedians` have successful careers based on
similarly inappropriate material, they aren`t employed
by Disney though.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 12:35pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

 Michael Roberts wrote:
I think people need to stop treating Twitter like their personal living room or a comedy club. Offensive jokes that are appropriate in the context of a comedy club or among a small group of friends who understand your intent take on a different tack out in public.


Why must folk share everything? 
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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I think the jokes are idiotic and definitely not funny.  Be that as it may, Disney knew about them and still hired him, but only fired him once others revealed them.  So 72 hours ago Disney had no issues with Gunn; 24 hours later they did.  Hypocrisy much?
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Fabrice Renault
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

So James Gunn made tastesless jokes years ago, apologized about those, got employed, made successful movies, never made such jokes again, yet got fired when somebody mentioned those jokes again.

What's next ? You are going to nee to show your twitter account before your resume ?

The US already gave birth to McCarthyism. Please let me know how to name this new era.
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Shane Matlock
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

If you're going to go dark with humor, you better make sure it's actually funny. 
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Steve De Young
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I've never understood the appeal of twitter in the first place.  But then, many of my thoughts require more than one sentence to express.
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Marc M. Woolman
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I don't see why Disney or any
employer, can't issue a statement that
says "we are not responsible for the
conduct of people who were not our
Disney should judge Gunn's suitability
to remain their director, based on his
conduct as one of their employees.

A statute of limitations for past
statements is a good idea.
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