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John Popa
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Posted: 22 July 2018 at 6:28am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Roman Polanski is still employed!
Many `comedians` have successful careers based on 
similarly inappropriate material, they aren`t employed 
by Disney though.

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It's twenty years ago but Disney did go ahead and hire CONVICTED pedophile Victor Salva to direct "Powder" for them.  
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It's twenty years ago but Disney did go ahead and hire CONVICTED pedophile Victor Salva to direct "Powder" for them.  

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And they took a lot of crap for it in a pre-social media age. The uproar would be deafening nowadays.
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Sean Gunn's eloquant reaction to his brother's firing:  Link 
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When a society holds their filmmakers to higher standards than their President, you know something's fucked up.

Consequences.... sure, whatever.

-C!


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I've said it a bunch of times before.  But people need to learn that nothing on the internet is anonymous, and anything and everything that ever goes on to the internet will be available to anyone who wants it for all of time.  Caveat postor.
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The man has grown past his mistakes from 10 years ago. The Guardian films are about accepting those who are willing to change to help others, and Disney has completely gone against that message with this move. Really disappointed. 

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"I like when it when little boys touch me in my silly
place. Shhh!"

How is that a joke or a mistake?

If a comedian says, "I like to rape women." and the joke
is over, is that something the audience is supposed to
laugh at?
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When Conan O'Brian took his producer to Italy and joked
that he was raped down in the basement, I actually
laughed at that.

When he jokingly flirts with grown women on his show
like a pervert, I laugh at that.

But if he did either of those jokes with children, it
crosses a line, and is just revealing a sick mind.
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So when Disney acquires Fox, would you demand that they fire Seth MacFarlane over the Herbert character on FAMILY GUY?
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It is interesting how there is a double standard. One or two inappropriate "jokes" or comments are shocking but in context possibly forgivable. Gunn had multiple threads about child molestation and rape. I have seen and heard comments that it is no worse than the Trump "grab them by the pu**y" recording. In my view both men were thinking they were being funny and provocative and neither acted on the crude comments. Years old information was brought forth to embarrass and derail both men by people that had dislike for them. Both men are responsible for their actions not those that brought them to the attention of the greater public.

Both the left and right forgive their own and vilify the other side when they put out stupid, insensitive, moronic jokes or comments. Condemn bad behavior and do not excuse it with a "but". 

In my opinion Gunn did not need to be fired by Disney nor did Roseanne. In today's age of outrage Disney had few options.

I will admit child rape, molestation and anal rape of sleeping women disturbs me a bit more than "grab them by the pu**y". 
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So when Disney acquires Fox, would you demand that
they fire Seth MacFarlane over the Herbert character
on FAMILY GUY?

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I haven't demanded anything, Disney made their choice
on their own. But I do agree with it.

I have not heard the Family Guy jokes, so can't say.
But it surely has a lot more context and story to it.
And a cartoon joke is far from a guy saying "I like
this". Usually a comedian will make the joke about
someone else in a story, like Luis CK did a pedophile
joke about a man in his neighborhood and he never got
too explicit and made sure to condemn it ... far
different than saying "I was being a pedophile in my
neighborhood one day and.."

What CK DID joke about himself a lot, played a role in
what he was really into.

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I have seen and heard comments that it is no worse than the Trump "grab them by the pu**y" recording. In my view both men were thinking they were being funny and provocative and neither acted on the crude comments.

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Trump didnít sound like he was trying to be funny. He sounded like he was bragging. Iíve /personally/ experienced Trumpís entitlement and lack of respect for peopleís personal space. He shoved me out of his way because I happened to be in his way, despite no one else being around us for at least 10-15 feet. 
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First off, Trump was bragging.  He did what he says he did.  He didn't say what he did to get a laugh but never actually tried to do it. Second, I'm sure you've listened to the whole ACCESS HOLLYWOOD sound.  That's not a man trying to entertain a crowd.  That's a man thinking he was off-mic bragging to Billy Bush about what he, a man of entitlement and means, can do to any woman he wants.  That's far different from Gunn making crude jokes to provoke who, nonetheless, is not a pedophile. Big difference. 
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" In today's age of outrage Disney had few options."

I fully disagree. They could have chosen to make a stand and dismiss the claims. Until people and companies start to push back against the culture of outrage, it's never going to stop. If they keep giving into those who claim to be outraged at every turn, that mentality is going to continue and get worse as they are getting their way. We have reached a point as a society where even an allegation of impropriety is enough to destroy a persons life and where stupid things you said a decade ago can be used against you. Where does it go from here? How far is too far? The only way to stop it is to fight back against it and a big company like Disney could have led the charge instead of capitulating.
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Matt hit the nail on the head.  If Gunn committed criminal acts against children ever in his life, he should be in prison and a social pariah.  Thereís not even an accusation f that.  But frankly thereís literally nothing he could have said 10 years ago that I think should make him unemployable today.

Does anybody really want to live in a world where people who make a stupid drunk tweet in their youth become unemployable for life?  Do you want to live in a world where no one can ever repent and change?
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Does anybody really want to live in a world where
people who make a stupid drunk tweet in their youth
become unemployable for life? Do you want to live in
a world where no one can ever repent and change?

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That is all kinds of misleading downplaying. Youth: he
was in his 40's. Drunk: did he say that somewhere?
Stupid: he is smart. Tweet (singular): There were MANY
tweets. Was he drunk and stupid every time. Seems like
excuses.

We do live in a world of repent and change, and it
could be true that he has done that. If there is no
investigation or accusations in the coming weeks, he
will be employed again. I am pretty sure of that.
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Where did I say that any of that was describing Gunn?  And what are you talking about investigation?  These are tweets from over a decade ago that he deleted.

You are really really confident that nothing you're saying today, or have said in the past, will ever be considered objectionable in a future time.  Are you willing to take that gamble?  Have you held the opinions that will be considered correct a decade from now since birth?

Before you answer, you should probably be aware that I can screenshot you in another thread, Mr. Woods, posting a video by Stefan Molyneux, whom I can pretty quickly demonstrate to be a misogynist and racist by today's standards, let alone those of a decade from now.  Ready to lose your job?


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Gunn has a talent for communicating authentic, raw emotion through the silver screen. That talent makes the difference between a satisfying movie and a $100 million dollar waste of time. Maybe he honed that talent by lobbing sick comments on Twitter, to better understand how to push people's buttons. Those comments will make him unemployable for a while, and understandably so, but not for too long. 

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Where did I say that any of that was describing Gunn?

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I guess you were not, but since we are talking about
him, I felt you were describing him. So if you were not,
that is not what happened with him.


Stefan Molyneux - why don't you try to take him down,
everything he says is still there.
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I don't have to 'try to take down' an alt-right figure.  My question to you was intended to point out what I believe to be your hypocrisy.  You believe that Gunn should have been fired because 10 years ago he said things that were objectionable.  I'm not disputing that they were objectionable.

I'm asking you, if someone next week, or 12 years from now, goes to your employer and says, "This guy is reposting stuff from Molyneux, and here's why I find him objectionable", and your employer finds it objectionable and fires you, will you meekly walk away from your job and have no problem with it?

I believe you are living in a glass house and throwing rocks.  You have, recently, posted things on this forum that other people find objectionable.  Yet when someone else makes objectionable social media comments, you support their firing.  I think you should rethink, and take a more consistent stance.
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I'm asking you, if someone next week, or 12 years from
now, goes to your employer and says, "This guy is
reposting stuff from Molyneux, and here's why I find
him objectionable", and your employer finds it
objectionable and fires you, will you meekly walk away
from your job and have no problem with it?

I believe you are living in a glass house and throwing
rocks. You have, recently, posted things on this
forum that other people find objectionable. Yet when
someone else makes objectionable social media
comments, you support their firing. I think you
should rethink, and take a more consistent stance.

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Sure I would hate that happening to me. Edit: And I
have said and done things years ago that I regret and
have changed over time, as I said above, Gunn may have
done that too.

If people find things I say objectionable, they
usually say so, and argue otherwise. That I am fine
with. That is what I do when I see someone else's post
I don't like. I don't threaten them.

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The man said things ten years ago, apologized for them and deleted them and was soon hired by Disney.  

The guy made films on redemption, and because he decides to say a few things about Trump, so nut job uncovers his past tweets.  Sure, they weren't funny and in horrible taste, but they were simply inappropriate jokes. Get over it. 

Disney should have taken a stand, and held its ground instead of giving in.  There seems to be more outrage in their decision than rejoicing. They wanted to protect their image? From what I can tell, they hurt their image far more than they would have imagined. I think it was a cowardly move and I'm a huge Disney fan.  This is the first time I find myself embarrassed to be such a fan. 
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The man said things ten years ago, apologized for them
and deleted them and was soon hired by Disney.

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I think there are two stories being mixed here. Up
thread someone said he apologized years ago, but the
only story I could find on that was a blog article on
comic characters and sex. He deleted that blog and
apologized for that years ago. I have yet to see any
story of these tweets being an issue years ago and
being deleted. He deleted 10 thousand tweets just when
the tweets started popping up over this past weekend.

So the story as I understand it is:

- He said things about Trump
- Past tweets start showing up on Mike Cernovich's
twitter
- Gunn accidentally tweets a search for a time period
of his tweets (he should have put it in the search
field)
- Gunn deletes 10k past tweet
- Over the next few days, other people in Hollywood
start deleting old tweets
- Now Rick and Morty creator Dan Harmon closes his
twitter after and old short film he did where he was
rapping a (fake) baby after drugging the babies father
resurfaces.
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Actually, Cernovich, who is essentially a convicted rapist and completely despicable human being, is targeting Trump critics by digging up dirt on them.  These old tweets didn't magically appear on his Twitter.  He went to dig up dirt on Gunn, found this stuff, and used it to get him fired.

And Disney basically gave in to some more folks from the alt-right.  Which now has massive numbers of celebrities deleting social media accounts rather than face future extortion if something they say now becomes a firing offense in a decade.

So, where are all of the free speech activists on the right all of a sudden?  Oh, that's right.  They have no principles, they just back their own team.
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That is what I do when I see someone else's post
I don't like. I don't threaten them.
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If you're implying that I threatened you, I didn't.  That feeling you felt is how all those celebrities feel, worrying about what they've posted online and how it might come back to haunt them.  

But it sounds to me like you agree with me that Cernovich's behavior, of trying to destroy a person's career over a political disagreement, is completely out of line.  So that's progress in this discussion at least.
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