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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 4:15am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

"Young and stupid" seems no longer to be a workable defense. Having been young and stupid -- tho not on this scale -- I wonder how long someone should be held accountable for things said and done in different times.

We all change as years go by. Some of us get worse, but some do get better.

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I think the problem for Gunn is that he has been very very vocal about people who are in similar situations. Which is why there could be only one conclusion to this
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So, is Disney going to excise the rape and pedophilia jokes out of Deadpool and Deadpool 2 when they start distributing it?

There's a rape joke in Age of Ultron too, made on their watch. 

Or, do they have some kind of "gross-o-meter" to determine the level of unacceptableness that's acceptable?
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A filmmaker used to be juged by his last movie, now he's judged by something stupid he twitted years ago. Well, since he made those jokes already, what's next? Should he ever be hired to make another big studio movie?

It amazes me how willing we are to fire people. Donald Trump represents a lot of folks.
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Roman Polanski is still employed!
Many `comedians` have successful careers based on
similarly inappropriate material, they aren`t employed
by Disney though.
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 Michael Roberts wrote:
I think people need to stop treating Twitter like their personal living room or a comedy club. Offensive jokes that are appropriate in the context of a comedy club or among a small group of friends who understand your intent take on a different tack out in public.

Exactly!!!

Why must folk share everything? 
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I think the jokes are idiotic and definitely not funny.  Be that as it may, Disney knew about them and still hired him, but only fired him once others revealed them.  So 72 hours ago Disney had no issues with Gunn; 24 hours later they did.  Hypocrisy much?
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So James Gunn made tastesless jokes years ago, apologized about those, got employed, made successful movies, never made such jokes again, yet got fired when somebody mentioned those jokes again.

What's next ? You are going to nee to show your twitter account before your resume ?

The US already gave birth to McCarthyism. Please let me know how to name this new era.
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If you're going to go dark with humor, you better make sure it's actually funny. 
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I've never understood the appeal of twitter in the first place.  But then, many of my thoughts require more than one sentence to express.
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I don't see why Disney or any
employer, can't issue a statement that
says "we are not responsible for the
conduct of people who were not our
employees."
Disney should judge Gunn's suitability
to remain their director, based on his
conduct as one of their employees.

A statute of limitations for past
statements is a good idea.
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Fabrice, I've read that some employers demand social media and even personal email passwords as a condition of hiring, but I've never come close to working someplace so inhospitable, so I don't know if it's true or urban legend.

Now that 24 hours has passed -- hey, remember when Trump got on stage with Putin and said he took Putin's word over US intelligence? That was Monday. -- I'm wondering if other internal factors contributed, considering how swiftly and decisively it all played out.

The silence from almost all of Gunn's Marvel stablemates (aside from Dave Bautista) is no doubt wise, and perhaps mandated, but extremely uncharacteristic of creatives suddenly being stripped of a treasured collaborator with whom they anticipated an ongoing relationship.

Maybe fast and decisive is just Marvel Studios's MO; after all, nobody realized they did re-shoots on Thor Ragnarok, while over at the Star Wars unit the agony was protracted and public. Is this the first actual controversy Marvel Studios has had to weather?

I wonder if the convenience of timing may have nudged things -- there's plenty of time to replace Gunn and reorganize and still make a Spring 2020 release for GotG3, and better still hiring a new director could relieve Disney of some expensive third film contractual obligations.
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

I like GOTG.

I like what James Gunn did with the movies.

But I can't find any way to defend him on those tweets.

I like to think they no longer represent where he's coming from, though it does beg the question why he couldn't lift a finger to delete them if he felt so distanced from them.

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and think they really don't represent him as a person and they are simply poor jokes... but they're ugly, stupid and I think it's inevitable he got tinned for them, given what happened to Roseanne Barr.


As for how long you should be accountable for something from your youth -- I don't feel this is necessarily something new. While I do have some sympathy for someone being judged by the idiocy of their youth (after all, we've all done moronic things in our time that we regret), everytime I entered the states, there was that green questionnaire about 'have you ever been a Nazi?' Is it certain bad behaviours for which a time limit applies? I don't think it's unfair that if the behaviour is reprehensible enough that we continue to judge a person by those actions.


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So, is Disney going to excise the rape and pedophilia jokes out of Deadpool and Deadpool 2 when they start distributing it?

There's a rape joke in Age of Ultron too, made on their watch.

Or, do they have some kind of "gross-o-meter" to determine the level of unacceptableness that's acceptable?

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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Don't forget about the rape and pedophilia jokes in Family Guy, which Disney will soon own
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You've caught them out!

We really should not forget the jokes by cartoon characters known for bad taste that may or may not be excised by Disney in a deal that may or may not be completed by Disney at some time in the future. Huge influence on this decision.


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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

I think it's sad what has happened to Gunn. That said,
digging up crap on a person to end their career is pretty
par for the course these days.
Henry Cavill just had to apologize to offended people who
were upset that he said in an interview that he was
uncomfortable approaching and flirting with a woman he
may find attractive due to the #Metoo movement.
Mark Duplass just got called out for saying that while he
disagreed with Ben Shapiro on most topics politically,
that he wasn't a bad guy and a good source for see a
subject for a different perspective. Both of these men
apologized for fear of what could happen to their
careers. Those are pretty harmless in context.
This kind of,called on the carpet for saying something
that overly sensitive people are offended by, has
infested entertainment. Gaming, comics, television, film
have all been put on notice. Whether it's TRUE Alt-right
nazi's or radical liberal SJW'S, I think it's way past
time to get these people out of entertainment and
business.

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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 8:31pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

To think, if James Gunn hadn't spoken up in defense of Duplass, he wouldn't have attracted Team MAGA's attention and he'd have a job today.
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 Peter Martin wrote:
I like to think they no longer represent where he's coming from, though it does beg the question why he couldn't lift a finger to delete them if he felt so distanced from them.

He did lift a finger.  Years ago.  He deleted them.  The alt-right squad dug them up via archive.  It's a reminder that anything, and I mean ANYTHING, you write on the internet is in an archive somewhere even if you think you've scrubbed your particular feed clean.
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David, you are trying to rationalize crazy
people. Sadly, the crazy fringe of both
the left and the right seem to be the
loudest voices. They are politicizing
things that were never meant to be
political soapboxes.

The one thing that seems to work is
cutting the flow of cash to these idiots.
In comics, Marvel, Image, and IDW have
employed fringe people and are financially
taking a pounding for it. Lucasfilm has
had their first Star Wars financial bomb.
Why, preceived special interest agendas in
the films.

Eventually, shareholders will get tired of
losing money and clean house.
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Matt, I stand corrected. That wasn't my understanding. That does, I think, swing the needle more in his favour.

Still, ugly enough not to be surprised the result once it surfaced. 
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Maybe Marvel should seize this golden opportunity to make the ending of INFINITY WAR stick and just cancel future GUARDIANS movies.


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Those jokes he made were awful in their subject matter and double awful for not being funny.

That being said, this is still a case of a successful man who was good at his job being fired because he made some jokes six years ago in the "false intimacy" of his twitter followers. 

I think that's ridiculous.


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He did lift a finger. Years ago. He deleted them. The alt-right squad dug them up via archive. It's a reminder that anything, and I mean ANYTHING, you write on the internet is in an archive somewhere even if you think you've scrubbed your particular feed clean.

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Posted: 22 July 2018 at 12:46am | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Peter Martin wrote `Everytime I entered the states,
there was that green questionnaire about 'have you ever
been a Nazi?'

Isn`t there also a question along the lines of `Have
ever been or are involved in terrorist activities?`

I often wonder if they expect honest answers from people
who could answer yes?
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I have no insight to Disney's thought process here, but from where I sit, there's a certain "no tears in the KGB" quality to this. Someone tries to use Gunn's popularity as a hostage and make a Thing out of the tweets thereby tarnishing Disney's brand. He probably expected Disney to defend him (FFS he already apologized!) which would help stir things up, but instead they took him out themselves with nary a word, as if to say "Okay, now whatcha got?"
A controversy of any length certainly could have damaged Disney's brand, and the quickest way to smother it was by firing Gunn.  Kind of cold-blooded, but it costs them almost nothing.
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