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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 8:16am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The first trailer for Titans has been released... it failed for me right from the disclaimer. WHY must DC/WB double-down on the "dark & gritty" approach for almost everything they produce??

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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 8:22am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Wow.  Total crap fest.  
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 8:42am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Any reason why Robin has be VERY hostile towards Batman? 
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 8:50am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Any reason why Robin has be VERY hostile towards Batman?

Frank Miller's shadow is long, and somehow, with every passing year, grows darker.

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Derek Rogers
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 9:24am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Wow. Just ... wow. F*** Batman??!

One of my favorite JB quotes (and I'm paraphrasing) - "It's not gritty, it's just glum."
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 9:28am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Looks terrible.
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Robbie Parry
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I remember a story called "The Lazarus Affair" (early 80s). Robin was hostile towards Batman in that. I remember clearly some words from Robin: "When this is over, Batman, we're going to talk. And talk like we've never talked before!"

Robin didn't seem to want help from Batman in the first issue of THE NEW TEEN TITANS. That was hostile.

But the mutual respect was there.
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 11:07am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

They've totally missed the genius of what made the classic Wolfman/Perez Titans so great: The stories were totally dark in content — full of ruthless killers, religious cults, demons, and emotionally manipulative predators — while being told in a bright, shiny world of primary colors.

This is just super-dark. What is at all subversive about that?
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 11:11am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Perfectly put, Eric. I wanted to post about the Wolfman/Perez Titans, but you articulated it better than I would have!
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 11:16am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

The Supergirl TV show has done an excellent job of capturing the classic Wolfman/Perez Titans vibe. Even the corny, soap-opera story elements manage to hit just the right vibe.
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I think DC/Warner is just intentionally trying to produce horrible content now.

If so, mission accomplished, here, in a big way. I may owe BvS an apology after this.
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I can't even begin to describe how repulsive this trailer is for me, it really makes me angry.  Akiva Goldsman knows no shame, but Geoff Johns and Greg Berlanti should know better.

Even though my young son is more of a Marvel kid, I'd toyed with the idea of purchasing the DC streaming service, because of their proposed archived comic book material and treasure-trove of past movies and vintage TV shows... but if a year-long subscription means I would be supporting this dreck (even though I wouldn't watch a minute it), then I'm out already.

Way to go, DC "Entertainment," as always.





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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Why is it so appealing to them to blot out the sun?

Like Eric said "dark" does not have to mean "literally".
Then there's the attitude...
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 3:01pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

What is it about DC that leads them to do "dark, dark, really really dark" so much more often than Marvel?

DC was the company that had the brightest, shiniest characters, at least in comparison to Marvel. (Batman aside. And yes, Captain America is almost a DC character.)

Frank Miller can't be the only explanation. Miller did DAREDEVIL too, and yet the Marvel Studios movies aren't monochromatic. In the case of the GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY movies they go for flat-out comedy.

So what the hell? 


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Personally, I think it's less Frank Miller's Batman comics, but more Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT.  That one turned the "dark" up to 11, and fans & filmmakers have been obsessed with its grim tone ever since.  For the worse, in my opinion.

This "Titans" trailer strikes me as a particularly juvenile, lunkheaded attempt at grim & gritty, to the point of self-parody.  It's almost comical how over-the-top it is, with its "so dark it must be good, right?" seriousness.






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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

This is just pure garbage. This is the kind of crap you get when you put a fan turned pro turned Hollywood producer in charge of the characters and let him bring in all of his "cool" fan ideas.
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

the costumes look great for Robin, Raven, Hawk, and Dove and then there's Starfire and Beast Boy what happened they look absolutely horrible!
That wig on Starfire what where they thinking? space hooker?
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Posted: 19 July 2018 at 9:56pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

I posted similar thoughts on FB to which someone replied that DC is actually really smart.  They have a Teen Titans for everyone.  Teen Titans Go! for the youngsters, Young Justice for the teens and the tv show for the adults.

To which I questioned, why didn't they need to do that with Christopher Reeve?  

I had no expectations for this series or even kept track of it really.  After watching the first handful of Arrow episodes it doesn't surprise me though.  If DC tv is consistent across their line, Robin snapping necks and murdering multiple people won't even register a blip.


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Posted: 20 July 2018 at 7:27am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Andy Mokler:

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I posted similar thoughts on FB to which someone replied that DC is actually really smart.  They have a Teen Titans for everyone.  Teen Titans Go! for the youngsters, Young Justice for the teens and the tv show for the adults.

To which I questioned, why didn't they need to do that with Christopher Reeve?

Nor did they need it for the Wolfman/Perez Titans era. That comic was full of adult content but I could still read it at age 9.
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Posted: 20 July 2018 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

One of my favorite JB quotes (and I'm paraphrasing) - "It's not gritty, it's just glum."

Credit belongs to Dave Gibbons.

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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 10:25am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Oy vey. This is just a deliberate bastardization of beloved characters. What awful schlock. 
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

I did have high hopes when I saw the Hawk and Dove costumes. I assumed those were impossible to do in real life. Then I saw them, and my jaw dropped.

My jaw just dropped again after seeing this trailer, but for a wholly different reason. 
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Posted: 21 July 2018 at 4:30pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Did they learn nothing from the failure of the Snyder movies?
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Posted: 06 October 2018 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

So, the actor who plays Robin was asked at NYCC to explain the 'F--- Batman' bit.  His response?

"Batman is a killer and Robin wants to get away from that. The idea is that he doesnt want to become a killer himself. And although these guys that hes fighting are bad and they deserve, you know, they deserve what hes dishing out, it seems, he believes that when you kill someone you crossed the line and you become almost as bad as them, so its pretty clear in the series that he was with Batman, Batman crossed the line and he was teaching me to do the same thing, and hes trying to break away from that."


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Posted: 06 October 2018 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | 25 post reply

The most eye rolling thing about that quote is their thinking that it would make anyone who was a fan of the characters, actually want to watch the show.
Yeah sure. Perform a bit of character assassination on one of DC's top characters, in order to make the ones that you are focusing on seem better. Because that will really make us want to tune in. Jeez!...Talk about misjudging your potential audience.
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