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Other than intimidation, which won't work, I am not sure what was being achieved by this. Stormy is reputedly making very good money now and likely won't be cowed by this. I would expect this will only give her more sympathetic press given the police clearly investigated her stage show and placed themselves in positions to be "touched".

I also have to say as a Canadian you Americans have the weirdest laws between states when it comes to strippers. Strip clubs in Canada basically all have the same experience and it is way more fun than in the few I have been in the the States.

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Strip club... fun....

Nope, I can't use those terms in a sentence... unless I put "no" between them.

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Daniels - arrested for touching
Trump - elected in spite of touching

hmmm
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Charges have been dropped.


The statute specified someone who “regularly appears” nude or seminude at a sexually oriented business, and since this was the first of a two night special appearance, no one could argue that she was a regular performer.
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What a surprise

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It appears the law has tipped their hand. I would expect Ms. Daniels to be under a great deal of scrutiny from here on out.
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I'll never get to un-know the name "Stormy Daniels," will I?

Thanks, Trump.

File this with "Gillooly."
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A devil's advocate question, is what she did not sexual assault if she did not get consent first? Imagine a male stripper forcing a patron's hand onto his junk without consent. 

When looking at the story it is more coincidence that she was charged than targeted. It seems that enforcement of this law has been prioritized this year. If what I read was correct almost as many charges in the last year as in all previous years combined.

It is disconcerting that stories that would at one time be tabloid trash news is now major network "breaking news".

Provincial laws for strip clubs vary across Canada. Some are very liberal and others are more restrictive.

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A devil's advocate question, is what she did not sexual assault if she did not get consent first? Imagine a male stripper forcing a patron's hand onto his junk without consent.

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Once one walks into a strip club...

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I have visited strip clubs in half the provinces in Canada LOL I assume the ones that are markedly different are in the other half.

Male and female strip clubs have different behaviours for the performers and the audience. My wife has been to a few male performer clubs and the stuff that happens with consent would get men beaten up and thrown out of female performer clubs.



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I’m not a fan of implied consent arguments, but if you pay the cover for a strip club and approach a dancer at the rail or get a lap dance, then I think you’ve agreed to an interaction. If either the dancer or the patron say “stop” and the other party persists, then you can talk assault, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.
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Does that standard apply to the patron touching the dancer unless she says stop? None of the clubs I had ever gone too had any kind of cover charge and dancers would roam the bar approaching men to sell lap dances. Would forcing a dancers head into a patrons "covered" groin area without consent before she had a chance to say stop be assault? 
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Would forcing a dancers head into a patrons "covered" groin area without consent before she had a chance to say stop be assault?

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You go to some weird ass clubs.

Let’s try comparing apples to apples and not cleavages to penises.
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Michael S., as soon as a man reaches for a performer in the clubs I have been in, the bouncers are on him and beating the shit out of him. If a performer takes a mans hand, for instance, and he allows her, she can do pretty much whatever she wants but the opposite is far from true.

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I have not been to a strip club in 25 years. There was a no touching rule in the ones I had been in, the exception being Montreal. The lap dances I have seen the dancer do would be within centimeters of a patrons groin or her groin centimeters from a patrons face. 

I thought I was comparing apples to apples. My question was, why some would feel forcing someone into sexual touching by a dancer is not considered assault but a patron doing the same may be.
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I would expert the performer to respect the audience member if they waved them off.

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