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Brian Rhodes
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Posted: 27 June 2018 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Right. And I consider his "fluent in over six million forms of communication" akin to Han's "Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs"...both are boasts meant to ellicit trust in their abilities. 


Although, I suppose SOLO has made the Kessel Run a "real" thing and detailed every bit of it and somehow justified using parsec as a unit of time. Haven't seen it, just figuring they took a throwaway bullshit line and built a movie around it....rather than, you know...just leaving it alone.  


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Posted: 27 June 2018 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Are there any other in context examples of robots boasting?
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 27 June 2018 at 5:17pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Well, Robby did exclaim hes spoke 187 languages and various dialects and some such thing.

but it didn't really come across as a boast to me, more like giving info to be helpful.
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Christopher Frost
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Posted: 27 June 2018 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Threepio is basically a walking universal translator with a large database on diplomacy, protocol, etc. He's designed for a specific function and is highly capable in that arena.

Data was designed to be an artificial human and that carries with it a broader range of capabilities. 

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Posted: 28 June 2018 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Having recently rewatched all of TNG, I'd say hands-down that Data is smarter.

As Brian Floyd so astutely noted, Threepio just thinks he's the brains of the duo. Artoo is clearly the smart one.

Also agree with what Christopher said. Threepio has one job, but, in the vast majority of the films, he's out of his element and his depth. Data was built as an artificial human with freedom of choice to learn and grow as he saw fit, and he chose to join Starfleet.

While I don't see Threepio's line about being fluent in six million forms of communication as a boast, Data has great ability to multitask, as well as comprehensive, er, data banks. Based on what we see of them, it's no contest regarding who's smarter.

Also, Data's super-strong, super-tough, and programmed in multiple techniques. A broad variety of pleasuring. Only' Threepio's, infamous, vintage trading card can come close to claiming the same. *Ahem.*

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Posted: 29 June 2018 at 4:40am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Time for a quick comparison of knowledge and intelligence. Knowledge is what we know, intelligence is what we do with it.

As Greg notes, Threepio spends much of his time out of "his" depth, not really understanding what's going on around him. That's because he's been loaded up with all kinds of knowledge, but without the necessary acuity to really do anything with it.

Data, on the other hand, was created to "adopt, adapt and improve," to borrow the motto of the Round Table.

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 29 June 2018 at 10:02am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Exactly. Threepio is a translator (and an awkward, slow-moving one at that) who is thrown into the middle of a war. Artoo is much more prepared to deal with the situations they get into, since he was designed as a spaceship mechanic. He’s essentially a Swiss Army knife of a droid, and is clearly highly-intelligent and designed for problem-solving. 

Threepio’s particular areas of knowledge (languages, etiquette, and protocol) don’t lend themselves very well to combat situations!
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Posted: 29 June 2018 at 10:15am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

A question (and, please, just the original movie, at least at first): to what extent are the "personalities" of Threepio (e.g., fretful) and Artoo (e.g., spunky) literally built into them as a product of their design function?
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Posted: 29 June 2018 at 11:10am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

That’s an interesting question.

Threepio is obviously programmed with a certain degree of personality/social skills to facilitate his performance of his job. I get the impression that much of his personality as seen in the films (nervous, fussy) comes from his being thrown into situations that his programming wasn’t designed to handle.

Artoo, on the other hand, is specifically stated to have an unusual level of devotion for a droid, and Threepio notes that “these astrodroids are getting quite out of hand”. So, I kinda get the vibe that Artoo’s programming is more complex than Threepio’s, and so his personality is probably an outgrowth of that. As noted, Artoo is a problem-solver by design, and his sassiness probably comes from his ability to see problems, but, in certain situations, not necessarily being able to deal with them. And, his having to rely upon Threepio to translate his observations and suggestions to the human characters must be especially annoying!
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To me, Threepio is a useful tool, one with a rather eccentric personality attached.
Data is a person.
Threepio is capable of learning new things but he lacks the ability to change who he is-- and he's pretty much the same machine from movie to movie.
Data, on the other hand, has shown tremendous growth over the course of his "life cycle" in Star Trek.

It's not a fair comparison, as noted above. They exist for entirely different purposes.
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Posted: 29 November 2018 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

At the risk of thread drift, just who programmed C3PO anyway?  Was it Anakin?  Did Anakin build him?  Was he a kit that anyone could buy?  Or was he a scrapped droid that Anakin got his hands on and rebuilt?

I wonder how much of his programmer's personality and motives impacted 3P0.  Was it like Dr. Soong and Data?  Or is 3P0 essentially an industrial appliance (despite young Anakin having re/assembled him)?


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Posted: 30 November 2018 at 10:21am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I'd long assumed that young Anakin had built C3PO from
scratch - consolidating the while child prodigy thing.
But I really like the idea that he built 3PO from a mail
order kit - it would explain why Vader never shows any
recognition for the droid - kids everywhere were building
the damned things!
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