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Doug Centers
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Posted: 15 November 2018 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Great pencil drawing JB!

I can go along with that Nightcrawler change, looks good and it's not drastic.
I also liked the change  that was made long ago by extending the "V" down past his belly. (You did that, right JB?)
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Posted: 15 November 2018 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Amazing splash page !!! And please Mr Byrne, now you've said it,  I would so much want you to create a character called Serval.   It would be such a great joke (for your French-speaking audience)...I would even allow you to use my name as his secret identity.


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Great, moody splash page there. The froth is very nicely done indeed. Quite a lot going on from the rain, lightning, the churning waves, but all working together to set the scene (congreeing in a full and natural close, as a writer once wrote).

As for Nightcrawler ó it's an excellent depiction of the character, but I do prefer the classic look.


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Problem is, aside from it's markings, there's not much about a serval (cat) that would make for a good superhero or villain. They are small, and not very aggressive. In fact, they tend to run away from danger. (Sounds like a candidate for the Great Lakes Avengers!)
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Posted: 15 November 2018 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

That new page has an almost 3D effect! I love it!
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This latest page is, of course, one where I would expect the inker to get "interpretive". If I was inking it myself, I would keep a printout of the pencils to one side, as I inked in all the black areas, ignoring the "rain". When that was done, I'd add the rain with a combination of razor technique and white ink/paint. Might even do that last part on the scan, in Photoshop.
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From an artistic point of view, I should note that my iPhone has become the ultimate swipe file. Needing stormy waters, I googled and voila!

This has become a go-to move, in recent years. Don't even have to print out the reference!

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Posted: 15 November 2018 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

How do you achieve the rain effect in the pencils, JB?  Seems obvious yet...

And I personally prefer the pointy epaulets for Colossus and Nightcrawler.  
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Here, the rain is done with a cut edge of a Pink Pearl eraser.
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WOW! That penciled page is incredible. I believe that's a location we've seen in the past...

As for the pointy epaulets: I feel they give Nightcrawler and Colossus more interesting silhouettes. That said, flattening them is like shortening the maple leaf stem on Guardian's uniform... ultimately not a big deal. 



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That scene may be the most Byrne-sy thing you've ever drawn - in a good way.  It's got everything: jagged rocks, futuristic architecture, silhouetted lighting, dramatic weather AND an angled panel border on a splash panel.  I feel like you should throw a character in named Stefon to comment on it.  F***ing dying to see this inked by Austin or a credible Austin substitute.  Actually, dying to see it inked, colored, lettered, and printed, regardless of the team.
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Posted: 15 November 2018 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Stefon?
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Dave Kopperman
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Sorry - Bill Hader's hipster character from SNL News, the central joke of which has him reciting lists of activities at a series of "New York's HOTTEST clubs."  Always springs to mind whenever I ramble myself into a list of superlatives.

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That "stormy weather" page looks great!
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There have been costumes of Colossusís that just stopped at the top of the shoulder. JRjr did one. Art Adams did one. Iím sure others have. I liked it. More of the metal is always good. 
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Iíve been tinkering with the bare shoulder look for Peter. Just donít want to be accused of copying!
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That page is gorgeous.  Wow.  
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I've been tinkering with the bare shoulder look for Peter. Just don't want to be accused of copying!

        ........

You did it first back in '79

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Heh!
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Oh yeah!! There ya go!!
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Iíve never noticed Cyclops with the original visor before. 
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The Great Mystery of Colossus, of course, is why the blue parts of his outfit vanish when he turns to metal. Long before I was assigned to the book I asked Dave, thinking there might be some internal answer.

ďBecause it looks cool,Ē was his reply.

Nuff said!

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Posted: 16 November 2018 at 6:43am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

That's a great classic true-to-comicbooks reply!
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Dave. What a designer. I always assumed that was the only reason Peter's pants disappeared.
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