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Mark Haslett
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It can't be said often enough how great Jim Warden is to deal with. In the mad
world of comic art sales, Jim is a special and wonderful exception.

It's excellent to know the original art for ELSEWHEN will be sold through Jim
someday!
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Steve Gumm
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I second that, Jim is great!
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Ugh. The Coolines guys are the worst of all
art sellers. Joe is correct. They will raise
their price every and any time you inquire
about their catalog of art. I wish I'd have
known these were up for sale and given them a
better home.
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Joe Hollon
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The Coollines guys have also been known to "finish" art
on their own before putting it up for sale so....yikes.
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Posted: 24 April 2019 at 11:30am | IP Logged | 5  

Iím confused. How did these end up there if there were so many people here who would have liked them but donít appear to have known they were for sale?

If more come up for sale, might it be worth mentioning here that they are available?
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Eric Ladd
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The pages came up for sale because JB gave them to his art rep, Jim, before he went to the comic art con earlier this month. These pages are no longer part of the story JB is telling so they were released. While there are many JBF members that want a crack at purchasing pages, we might want to try to eliminate any slighted feelings about these particular pages. When the time comes, the art will be available. Let's not make life hard for the people involved with trying to feed rabid, art collector fans this new work. Just save your money and remember that anything that will be released will be released well after publication or online release. I shudder to think how many emails Jim has received in the last week about Elsewhen pages. =/
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Jim Warden: Nathan: Click on the links provided to the pages and you will see that the pages are NOT priced on the Cool Lines site.  Such is the business model for much of the artwork offered there!

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As others have noted above, Coollines jacked up the prices! I'm excited to buy some of this art without the price gouging! Yikes!! 



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I agree with what others are posting -- Jim is a great guy and super easy to work with! JB couldn't have found a nicer art dealer. 
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Jim Warden
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James Woodcock: Before posting snarky comments, it might be worth actually reading back up the thread.  On the previous page of this thread, i wrote:

Everyone Interested in ELSEWHEN Pages:  JB will not be offering any of the ELSEWHEN pages that are part of the current continuity for sale until their publication status is certain.  If JB decides to cut any additional pages from the story, at his discretion, these may be offered for sale.

Once the publication status of the ELSEWHEN pages is determined, and JB gives the green light, the pages will be offered for sale.  I WILL post a new thread to the Forum once the pages are available. 
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Nathan: My point regarding the pricing of artwork on the Cool Lines site is that they do not "post" prices; as Joe and Paul pointed out, they basically treat the artwork sales as a "fishing expedition" by showing something that they have available, but not posting a "buy it now" price, rather they wait for someone to contact them and then provide a price (which is almost always much higher than current market value).  The price quoted also may vary day-by-day!  :)


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Jim Warden
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I know JB does not want this thread to turn into a sales pitch, but I am very curious what the Forum readers who also collect artwork would be willing to pay for an ELSEWHEN page.

As background, a highly motivated collector (and super nice guy, who has already posted on this thread) sent me a private message before the April 14 Comic Art Con, in that message he made offers on 11 of the 20 pages JB posted in the "X-MEN: ELSEWHEN in Sequence" thread.  Both of the pages Cool Lines bought from me were on his list and they paid more than double his offer for each page.

Additionally, three close friends who are also on this Forum, met with JB and I the day before the convention and were aware of the asking prices placed on the pages Cool Lines purchased.  The Forum members had advance access to the pages and none of them purchased a page; this may be due to having seen 100+ pages of additional ELSEWHEN artwork and their sites were set on pages JB has not yet posted!

So, to those "collectors" who love to stir things up and/or bitch and moan about not being offered something first, it's time to actually "shit or get off the pot" and send me what you'd actually be willing to pay for the pages JB has shared on his Forum.  My personal e-mail address is:

capshockeyfan@yahoo.com

I look forward to hearing from you.
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To Jim Warden:
Genuinely, my post was not meant as snarky. It was a genuine question being asked on what appeared to be a number of people on the forum saying that they would have liked a shot at buying these pages, but not at those prices, and then JB saying the prices looked to be more than you sold them for - so the buyers appearing to buy the pages purely to flip them at higher prices.

It was genuine confusion as to what the process had been. I personally donít buy original art and so do not have a dog in this race. 

I apologise for any perceived snark or offence, absolutely none was meant.
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James Woodcock:  Thank you for the follow-up message above; I am sorry if my previous message was overly terse. 

As Eric mentioned above, I have been deluged with messages about the ELSEWHEN pages and I misinterpreted the intent of your initial message. 

I admit I was quite frustrated when I read "If more come up for sale, might it be worth mentioning here that they are available?"  given I had covered this in my previous message. 

For some reason, my brain was processing the last part of the above line as "it might be" worth mentioning here that they are available?"  My reversing those words put the meaning into an entirely different context.  Mea Culpa!I

Thank you again and I appreciate the opportunity to iron things out in a civil manner! 
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To Jim Warden: allís well. 
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Posted: 27 April 2019 at 5:44am | IP Logged | 15  

Okay, all done now!!
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Paul Wills
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John - sorry if this has been answered earlier but when do you decide to draw covers? I know you don't do them right after you finish an issue.
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Random Questions:

1. if you had continued Hidden Years for as long as you wanted, would you have brought it right up to GS #1?

2.  What's your favorite Cockrum issue?

3.  Did you have to convince anyone to let you take Logan out of the "Fang" costume for your run?
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1. That was the plan, tho it would have taken me YEARS to get there.

2. All too good to pick just one!

3. Nope.

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Richard Palmgren
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Thanks for the answers!

Either before of after you started this "pencil practice", did you ever consider "Elsewhen-ing" another point in X-men history?
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Nope.
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A little Photoshop magic:

Something that's bugged me over the years--and that I've mentioned before--is when things seen in adjacent panels, which are supposed to be identical, aren't.* As far back as IRON FIST I was asking the Office to stat backgrounds and the like, to make sure they were the same in multiple panels in a row.

Haven't traditionally been able to do this with pencils, but with modern technology--namely, scanning--I now can. So, some duplicated Sentinels. (Best thing about this, when the inker inks them, there will be enough subtle variation in line to add an extra layer of depth.)

Byrne Bashers, the words you'll want to trot out are "cheating", "lazy" and perhaps even "creatively bankrupt". Have fun!

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* This probably dates back to a sequence seen in my fan days, in which a Hero was being shown the death of another character on a monitor. The image was of the figure in fire, freeze-framed. But over three or four panels the penciler drew it each time, and the inker make no effort to make sure the images looked identical. Result, the "frozen" figure seemed to be dancing a jig--not the intent!!

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I, for one, have absolutely no problem with this approach -- and isn't it unquestionably appropriate for robotic duplicates?!

It's not like you forgot (or refused) to add the necessary shading to 126 and 127 too, after all. 

Logic pertains here, not lazy.
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Wow! What a great way to start the day! And the implications of that page should set the internet on fire with all kinds of speculation! I can hardly wait to see this someday.
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Sentinels!!  I would not have thought I would be so happy to see these marauding, mutant killing robots!

Excellent page, JB - thank you for the peek!!


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Not just mutant killing, this time!
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