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Philippe Negrin
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Posted: 07 November 2018 at 2:47am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

So if this project DOESN'T happen, we will get to see the unsused issues earlier ??? Is that what they call a win/win situation ? I don't like it.
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Let's not worry about what's going to happen, and whether it's fair or not. I mean, do you see a pony ride or a cotton candy/spun sugar booth around here?

I have implicit confidence in Mr. Byrne that he will be treating us as he always does, and if/when he wants us to see this items, he will. Surely he'll treat us right... we are his biggest fans here,.
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Posted: 07 November 2018 at 8:58am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

...treating us as he always does...

Squirm you mutant dogs!!

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Speaking of the Danger Room...

I am looking forward to a room with crazy death machines again, instead of virtual reality scenes of Sentinels, or worse.

Since I am geeking out and all.
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Well.......

One of the things I want to avoid here is anachronisms. Not in the sense of stuff that would not have been around in the 1980s, but in the sense of 1980s stuff that would seem clunky and outmoded today. So, sure, smartphones. Flatscreen TVs. Modern cars. Fashions.

The Danger Room? Well, to be honest, I'm not a fan of the Danger Room. The idea that Xavier would LITERALLY place his students in mortal danger just in the way of TRAINING them? Eep!

So, if the DR turns up, it will probably be a lot less in the form of "crazy death machines".

(This, of course, would be another element that would drive a certain kind of potential readers nutz, as they try to cross reference everything from the Eighties with ELSEWHEN.)

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I always felt that way about the danger room. I Thought it was pretty extreme for training students - one wrong move and it's curtains! I remember Kitty accidentally walked in and all hell broke loose trying to save her.
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Neal Adams and John Byrne made the Danger Room worth visiting. I really
found it underwhelming in anyone else's hands.

As a concept, it seems strange if we actually imagine an X-Man dying in there.
But in the right hands, it has yielded several unforgettable sequences.

I would love to see another, but if this series happens and the Danger Room
just never comes up, I bet I won't miss it.
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Oh, wait!! I love a couple of the Danger Room scenes that Jack Kirby drew.

I think the Danger Room represents some of the "School for Gifted
Youngsters" elements that felt less important in the All-New, All-Different era.
The Danger Room was extreme required-coursework .

With new students to train, maybe Xavier would consider finding a wiser
method of training.
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Posted: 07 November 2018 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Dang. As mark mentioned, there really hasn't been a good Danger Room scene since your run. 

We aren't going to have to learn New Math are we?


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"New Math! Ne-ew-ew Math! It won't do you a bit of good to learn New Math! It's so simple! So very simple! That only a child can do it!"

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One of the things I'm most anticipating with the possibility of this going forward is the thought exercise aspect of looking at what was done prior to JB's departure and extrapolating entirely different outcomes based upon a different interpretation of the events behind them.

Jean theoretically isn't in a pod in Jamaica Bay. She's right there and always has been, which means the Phoenix entity as shown to date, as a cosmic "Mother of Stars" and Shiva-like force of apocalyptic destruction, is up for grabs. Wolverine and the Weapon X project will likely be unlike anything shown in the BWS series or since. X-Factor likely goes away as does X-Force and all the others. There is likely no Mr. Sinister in Scott's past directing his life for him. Likely no space pirate father. 

Nothing established after the point of JB's departure can be assumed. The "divergence point" in this "alternate reality" is behind the scenes rather than on-panel. That opens the very best version of the New X-Men to a clear, untrammeled future, with endless possibilities ahead. It's almost as if my teenage self has a new issue to look forward to. That's pretty potent. 

Plus, it's just fun to imagine the team up against Modok.*

* I have a pun I want to do involving the X-Men up against this character, but on the off chance it might touch upon a plot point that actually appears, I'll hold off until the story appears in print, either here or in a Marvel comic. I only hope I can remember it then. :-)


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I mentioned that my younger me has something to look forward to in the months ahead. It occurs to me that all he had ahead of him the next month in this reality... was D'Spayre.

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Jean theoretically isn't in a pod in Jamaica Bay.

No reason to assume that.

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Interesting moment, today. For the first time I have, at least partially, run out of steam. Why, you ask? Well, one of my least favorite jobs is flashbacks where I basically draw variations on other people's work. Unavoidable, in this instance, but brought on a sharp drop in energy.

Tomorrow, a new page, and back to "normal". I hope!!

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I have a friend who, whenever I talk about aspects of my job I don't enjoy, says "that's why they call it work!"

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I have a friend who, whenever I talk about aspects of my job I don't enjoy, says "that's why they call it work!"

Artwork! It's right there in the name!

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Jean theoretically isn't in a pod in Jamaica Bay. She's right there and always has been, which means the Phoenix entity as shown to date, as a cosmic "Mother of Stars" and Shiva-like force of apocalyptic destruction, is up for grabs. Wolverine and the Weapon X project will likely be unlike anything shown in the BWS series or since. X-Factor likely goes away as does X-Force and all the others. There is likely no Mr. Sinister in Scott's past directing his life for him. Likely no space pirate father. 

Nothing established after the point of JB's departure can be assumed. The "divergence point" in this "alternate reality" is behind the scenes rather than on-panel. That opens the very best version of the New X-Men to a clear, untrammeled future, with endless possibilities ahead. It's almost as if my teenage self has a new issue to look forward to. That's pretty potent. 

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Well, IMO the real divergence point is Jean Grey gaining the Phoenix powers instead of "simply" being replaced by the Phoenix Entity using a duplicate body, so it should be in X-Men #100-101! Jean's lobotomy in X-Men #137 is a posterior divergence. This was the situation that theoretically lead to the Days of Future Past's reality, that I suppose Mr.Byrne may decide to avoid/change/ignore.
It's in Mr.Byrne's hands to decide what will be the "real" situation/premise in Elsewhen.

About Danger Room scene, I like some of the following scenes where you don't have "death"-level threats!


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Posted: 08 November 2018 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Man, Leave this site for one week and...
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It's certainly a lively thread.

Fingers crossed the energy returns with a vengeance, JB.
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Posted: 09 November 2018 at 9:03am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Fingers crossed the energy returns with a vengeance, JB.

Oh, yeah!!

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Like a Phoenix rising?! =)
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Jean theoretically isn't in a pod in Jamaica Bay.

No reason to assume that.

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Now that it's been said, this was my first thought when I saw Jean in the comic. The retcon predates this series, but was published after this point in time. Will it still apply? Was does it mean to try to "lobotomize" a cosmic figure if it does? What happens in this timeline when the two meet? Or, is this timeline one where Jean and the Phoenix are one in the same?

All questions I'm looking forward to finding the answers to...in the published comic!

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Posted: 09 November 2018 at 5:42pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

I don't want to conjecture. I like not having a clue where the story may or may not go.

Since panels are largely out, I am curious if there are any other elements to get a computer model. I can't get over how "right" that van is!
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Posted: 09 November 2018 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Oh, that van is an old fashioned drawing. Im just a brilliant artist!
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Wow. After the Professor's chair I just went and did the assume. It is a great design. Totally new, but makes so much sense. 

You really could do this for a living!

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