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John Byrne
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Somewhere, George Orwell weeps.
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Robbie Parry
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It's possible, James.
I think intent has to be judged. If I walk into a black person's house and throw around racial slurs, I deserve to be smacked straight up the gob!
But if I use the term "wheelchair-bound" during a discussion where I am actually advocating for disabled rights, do I really deserve to be torn to shreds? Sure, I'll get over it, but it can be a minefield.
There was even a bizarre policy years ago (well, discussion of a potential policy) in a place I worked, where the manager said "part-time worker" could be considered offensive in relation to a full-time worker. She was advocating changing it to "reduced hours worker". It's just odd.
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Bill Collins
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I have heard `Handicapable` used instead of
`Handicapped`
When i was at school in the 70`s it was deemed offensive
to refer to someone as `Black`, we were taught to say
`Coloured`
Now, in the 21st century that has been flipped, in fact
Benedict Cumberbatch had to apologise for using the word
coloured, as he was taught the same as a child.
Now we are bombarded with different names for
gender/trans gender etc, and dog help you if you
inadvertently use the wrong term.
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James Woodcock
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In South Africa, coloured is used to refer to a lighter brown skinned person and black is used to refer to a darker skinned person.
Took some getting used to after the reevaluation of the words in the UK
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Stephen Churay
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Guys, seriously. Are we trying to
rationalize how to conform to SJW speak?
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Paul Kimball
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Stephen if you don’t use racial/sexual slurs then you already have at
least to some degree.
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Steve De Young
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if you don’t use racial/sexual slurs then you already have at
least to some degree. -------------------------------------------- There's a difference here. If I find out something offends or upsets someone, and so I don't say or do it around them, that's just being a polite and decent human being.
The PC/SJW thing is getting offended by things that you think are offensive to other people. Dealing with people one on one, I have no problem with trying to avoid being an asshole. When someone intrudes from outside into a conversation to try to police what is being said and how, the hole is on the other ass.
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Paul Kimball
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Steve I think I must be misunderstanding you somewhat.
Let's say that I routinely called jewish people grazzits.
We'll assume that much of the world knows that grazzits is a slur
but I disagree and use the term myself
So you over hear me saying this and intrude to let me know that it's an
offensive term
Surely that's not all it takes to be a SJW?
I would guess if you heard two white co-workers having a private
conversation where they called a black co worker a n(*(, you might say
something but I don't think that means you're a jerk.
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Bill Collins
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Paul, i have never heard `Grazzits`in the U.K.
Personally i find `Handicapable` a bit patronising, i
think it also implies that a person with a disability
can compete with an able bodied person.Depending on
the disability, i think it puts unfair pressure on
that person, as there are varying degrees of
disability, not all of them immediately obvious or
visible.
As for SJW rationalisation, again there are degrees,
if i call a Welsh person a Taff, or an American a
Yank, it is seen as a friendly nickname, but i would
never dream of calling a person from India a `Paki`
(which was the blanket term for people from that
region).Then there`s the `N` word, it`s seems
acceptable for black people to use it, but not white,
surely if it`s offensive, NOBODY should use it?
One thing that does reek of Orwellian nightmares, is
the gender thing of calling people who choose to be no
specific gender, depending on what day of the week it
is as `Ze` rather than he or she...what a minefield
that is.
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