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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 06 June 2018 at 8:23am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I suppose I tend to look the other way at sometimes semi-backwards but sometimes also fairly innocent stuff like this. There are lots of scenes I am not going to 'get' but consenting adults can dress up in costumes at conventions,  parade and measure dogs and give out ribbons, and award trophies for sports I've never imagined existed.

I used to think about what it might have been like for a woman going into a car repair shop and seeing some of those pin-up calendars on their wall in the '50s. Do men today walk into a cupcake shop and see a firefighter with their shirt off calendar and feel anything similar? People who have experienced real violations know that a sexy picture or most words, even from an employer or co-worker, are a long way from actual trauma and permanent injury.

On the other hand, gestalt therapy where you see yourself as an object, a table or whatever, is a legitimate therapeutic method. I know someone who spend hours as a coat rack after dropping acid, maybe it did something nice for him? :^)
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A few decades back (yes, it's been going on that
long!), I saw a then/now cartoon that addressed this.
Man and woman in workplace.

THEN:

HE: Nice dress.

SHE: Nice suit.

NOW:

HE: Nice dress.

SHE: Law suit!!

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When trying to put myself in their shoes, thinking of
a way that I would reach that point of unwanted
advances, a gay man hitting on me for example, he
would have to go very far and resist several repeated
warnings before I would reach that point before
threatening to go to the boss, and I would tell him
before I did so as a last warning! Even then there
would be no lawsuit.



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Once I actually won, the year I spent fulfilling my duties as Miss America had absolutely nothing to do with how my body looked. Instead, I used my body to bring awareness to the issue of child abuse by advocating on behalf of organizations focused on the issue. I was part of a team that ultimately persuaded Congress to restore $18 million in funding in the 2014 federal budget for child advocacy centers. I traveled from school to school talking with the nation’s kids about STEM education and finding their personal passions. I sat at the bedside of terminally ill children, and I spoke with families of our service members at Walter Reed medical center.

At no point did I think to throw on a bikini to accomplish those things.
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My daughter does pageants. For her, it is all about the
singing.
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It's not acceptable? You just mean cat calling right?
Something is going wrong if you can't say they look hot.
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I think it has something to do with the fact that historically women have had to
fear rape a lot more than men so they have to take sexual comments from
strangers a little more seriously than we do.
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There has recently been discussion in British media as to why it seems
socially acceptable for women to openly admire and ogle an attractive male
body

It's not acceptable? You just mean cat calling right? Something is going
wrong if you can't say they look hot.

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I would also say that simply telling someone they are wearing a nice dress
or look nice is not ogling or cat calling, at least in the traditional sense. Not
unless you say it in a very weird voice or something. I think we all know that
when we say construction workers are cat calling women, they likely aren't
just saying "you like nice today ma'am" in a friendly tone
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Yes, context and tone are very important.
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Context is everythig. This was the first Miss America pageant:

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Bill Collins
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All shapes and sizes! I wonder if a 20 stone woman will
ever win the new version if she is not judged on
physical appearance?
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Former Miss America Jackie Mayer was interviewed in a local paper after the current rules change. She approves. Funny story: when she was in the competition, it was televised in black-and-white, so most contestants wore white or black swimsuits. Hers was pink.
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"Nobody loves women and beauty pageants more than Donald J. Trump, that I can tell you, believe me."
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Michael Sommerville
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When there is a contestant that is 5' 5". 140 lbs and wears glasses I will believe it is no longer judged on physical appearance. Are we to believe Miss America has become a women's only, personality and talent contest?

My kids watch America's got talent, only one judge consistently comments on some contestants looks in a sexual way and It is not one of the men.
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