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Michael Sommerville
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Now that the Miss America pageant, I mean competition, will not be judged on physical appearance should Mr Olympia do the same. I do understand people should not be judged by his or her physical appearance, the exception should be when it is a competition on physical appearance. 
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Those bodybuilder competitions present a decidedly different set of parameters than the average beauty pageant. Altho the young ladies involved in the latter most certainly have devoted time and effort into shaping themselves into society's idea of female perfection, for the boys it's almost like a construction competition. They have literally reshaped themselves, like sculptors working in living clay. So much more intensive.

Both are pointless and idiotic, imho, but they are quite different.

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I have never seen the point of them, but I do know they have their fans.

In a recent interview, former WWF wrestler Bret Hart said this about bodybuilders:

Who likes bodybuilders? Talk about zeroes in life. I mean, there's nothing, I can't say anything good about bodybuilders at all. What a total waste of your life. There's the vanity all day, there's nothing special about bodybuilders other than they lift weights all day. It's like a beauty pageant. 

I never had a fascination. I like a good physique and all - but to the point of being obsessed? The dieting and the whole thing - who cares? I don't see any ability or skill in it at all. Same with fashion models or runway models - I mean who really gives a damn? They're too skinny and they don't look as hot as they think.

He's not being diplomatic. Perhaps he should have been. But I have never quite understood such contests as described by the original poster. 
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I was being facetious about the bodybuilders. 

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A lot of work goes into the bodies of both
competitions, as already stated, both are pointless
and idiotic, but so is Cruft`s!

There has recently been discussion in British media as
to why it seems socially acceptable for women to
openly admire and ogle an attractive male body
(Poldark being the example) but not for men to do the
same when it`s a hot female.So judging a beauty
pageant on appearance in my opinion is no worse then
judging a body builder.

I used to work with a guy who was a bodybuilder, i
knew him from school when he was the typical 6 stone
weakling.He got buff, but abused steroids, which meant
he looked odd as there was nothing he could do to make
him taller! Then there was the obsession with the size
of a particular guy`s thighs! (An American called Tom
Platts?) Trying to get thighs as big as Tom, seriously
strange obsession!
I recently saw another old school friend on Facebook,
he had pics of his body builder hobby, with his bald
head, mahogany fake tan and exaggerated muscles he
looked like a pair of tights stuffed with walnuts!
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 I used to lift tons of weights in my younger years. Ran like 6 miles a day ate lots of protein, took supplements, read every Arnold article , book i could get my hands on. Apparently you cant get that big without steroids. Got a hernia though. 
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There has recently been discussion in British media as
to why it seems socially acceptable for women to
openly admire and ogle an attractive male body
(Poldark being the example) but not for men to do the
same when it`s a hot female.

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It's not acceptable? You just mean cat calling right?
Something is going wrong if you can't say they look hot.
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There was an example before The Graham Norton Show
where apparently the female BBC continuity announcer
said Aiden Turner from Poldark was on, but
unfortunately he was fully clothed, the debate was
`What if a male announcer had said similar in
reference to a female guest? Then we have a show
called Loose Women which i think is similar to The
View in the U.S.They often make lewd comments about
`Hot` males, double standards?Personally the
Politically Correctness of modern times does irritate
me, we are after all, human and are wired up to admire
the opposite sex (even the same sex) as long as it`s
done without being threatening or offensive, i don`t
think it`s a crime.

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Did JB predict the future again with the Krypton pages in Man of Steel.
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I have a friend/mentor who loves lifting weights (he actually designed the the program for my high school football team in the 1980's) and he decided one year to try competitive bodybuilding. He won some competitions but said that it was such a miserable experience that he'd never do it again.
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There has recently been discussion in British media as to why it seems socially acceptable for women to openly admire and ogle an attractive male body (Poldark being the example) but not for men to do the same when it`s a hot female.

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It's not acceptable? You just mean cat calling right? Something is going wrong if you can't say they look hot.

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A few decades back (yes, it's been going on that long!), I saw a then/now cartoon that addressed this. Man and woman in workplace.

THEN:

HE: Nice dress.

SHE: Nice suit.

NOW:

HE: Nice dress.

SHE: Law suit!!

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I must add a thing that shocked me, but also made me
laugh...My 78 year old widowed mom has the infamous (In
Britain at least) Poldark topless scything picture on
her fridge!
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I suppose I tend to look the other way at sometimes semi-backwards but sometimes also fairly innocent stuff like this. There are lots of scenes I am not going to 'get' but consenting adults can dress up in costumes at conventions,  parade and measure dogs and give out ribbons, and award trophies for sports I've never imagined existed.

I used to think about what it might have been like for a woman going into a car repair shop and seeing some of those pin-up calendars on their wall in the '50s. Do men today walk into a cupcake shop and see a firefighter with their shirt off calendar and feel anything similar? People who have experienced real violations know that a sexy picture or most words, even from an employer or co-worker, are a long way from actual trauma and permanent injury.

On the other hand, gestalt therapy where you see yourself as an object, a table or whatever, is a legitimate therapeutic method. I know someone who spend hours as a coat rack after dropping acid, maybe it did something nice for him? :^)
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A few decades back (yes, it's been going on that
long!), I saw a then/now cartoon that addressed this.
Man and woman in workplace.

THEN:

HE: Nice dress.

SHE: Nice suit.

NOW:

HE: Nice dress.

SHE: Law suit!!

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When trying to put myself in their shoes, thinking of
a way that I would reach that point of unwanted
advances, a gay man hitting on me for example, he
would have to go very far and resist several repeated
warnings before I would reach that point before
threatening to go to the boss, and I would tell him
before I did so as a last warning! Even then there
would be no lawsuit.



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Once I actually won, the year I spent fulfilling my duties as Miss America had absolutely nothing to do with how my body looked. Instead, I used my body to bring awareness to the issue of child abuse by advocating on behalf of organizations focused on the issue. I was part of a team that ultimately persuaded Congress to restore $18 million in funding in the 2014 federal budget for child advocacy centers. I traveled from school to school talking with the nation’s kids about STEM education and finding their personal passions. I sat at the bedside of terminally ill children, and I spoke with families of our service members at Walter Reed medical center.

At no point did I think to throw on a bikini to accomplish those things.
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My daughter does pageants. For her, it is all about the
singing.
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It's not acceptable? You just mean cat calling right?
Something is going wrong if you can't say they look hot.
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I think it has something to do with the fact that historically women have had to
fear rape a lot more than men so they have to take sexual comments from
strangers a little more seriously than we do.
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There has recently been discussion in British media as to why it seems
socially acceptable for women to openly admire and ogle an attractive male
body

It's not acceptable? You just mean cat calling right? Something is going
wrong if you can't say they look hot.

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I would also say that simply telling someone they are wearing a nice dress
or look nice is not ogling or cat calling, at least in the traditional sense. Not
unless you say it in a very weird voice or something. I think we all know that
when we say construction workers are cat calling women, they likely aren't
just saying "you like nice today ma'am" in a friendly tone
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Yes, context and tone are very important.
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Context is everythig. This was the first Miss America pageant:

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All shapes and sizes! I wonder if a 20 stone woman will
ever win the new version if she is not judged on
physical appearance?
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Former Miss America Jackie Mayer was interviewed in a local paper after the current rules change. She approves. Funny story: when she was in the competition, it was televised in black-and-white, so most contestants wore white or black swimsuits. Hers was pink.
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"Nobody loves women and beauty pageants more than Donald J. Trump, that I can tell you, believe me."
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When there is a contestant that is 5' 5". 140 lbs and wears glasses I will believe it is no longer judged on physical appearance. Are we to believe Miss America has become a women's only, personality and talent contest?

My kids watch America's got talent, only one judge consistently comments on some contestants looks in a sexual way and It is not one of the men.
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When there is a contestant that is 5' 5". 140 lbs and wears glasses I will believe it is no longer judged on physical appearance. Are we to believe Miss America has become a women's only, personality and talent contest?

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Does your judging a woman’s physical appearance require her to walk around in a swimsuit?
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