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Steve De Young
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Posted: 30 May 2018 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It looks like ABC is working on a solution to preserve everyone's job but Roseanne's.

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Couldn't they hire another actress as the matriarch and play it as a satire of the previous incarnation(s) of the show, and scooch by under parody laws?
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She owns part of the show, they can't make drastic changes to it without her approval.

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Sometimes the Internet makes funny things. 

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And of course, this one. I wish sometimes I had a time machine, just to create havoc in the past.

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What would be classy of Barr would be to allow the show to continue with another actress in her place, so the cast and crew could continue working. A way to redeem herself (if that would be possible).
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Neil... you are entirely correct. But I think her recent (and not so recent) actions have indicated that Roseanne doesn't have very much class at all.

After all, she made about as insulting a comment as she could, and then - rather take responsibility for herself - grabbed the first excuse that she could.
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Posted: 31 May 2018 at 9:31am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

... these folk don't work for ABC/Disney.
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Keith Oberman is at ESPN, which is ABC/Disney
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Posted: 31 May 2018 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

The second day of Roseanne drama and Trump is still demanding an apology from Bob Iger/ ABC.

UNBELIEVABLE.

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Rump thinks Nazis can be "good people", so his perceptions are a bit skewed.
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Posted: 31 May 2018 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

ABC fired Bill Maher for something he said 17 years ago, so he was probably a bad example for folks inexplicably defending Roseanne to trot out.

And Keith Olbermann has been fired from more jobs than he's had.  So likewise, kind of a bad example.
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Posted: 31 May 2018 at 4:45pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

This show is dead, no recasting, reworking, new network will revive it. No one will publicly work with Roseanne and the show does not work without all the pieces. She, like the three main stars, is irreplaceable in that show. 
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And just to touch on the second wave of this, vis Samantha Bee, a White woman calling another White woman a c*nt is in no way like a White woman calling a Black woman an ape.

Get some sense, America.

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I'm disappointed Sam Bee either didn't re-think that calling any president's daughter -- even this one's -- a c*nt wouldn't have serious consequences, OR, if Bee wanted to call her that, then at least she should have stuck by it. As for America having sense, I can't help but wonder how many offended by Bee even know what "feckless" means.

The worst, though, is what JB identified: now the media will seize on equivalence -- the Roseanne Right and the Sam Bee Left -- both the same... and America will eat up how the "war" rages on... BREAKING NEWS!

(If only George Carlin could come back to life...)
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Some comments I heard at work yesterday:


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Roseanne was right. She DOES look like a monkey.


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It wasn’t racist. It wouldn’t matter if she was white, black, Chinese, Russian, Mexican, or Ay-Rab. She looks like an ape.


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Trump is right. Everybody’s too politically correct nowadays. This is getting out of control that somebody can get fired just because of something they said.


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I actually saw a guy on the internet try to claim that she wasn't comparing her to an ape but rather comparing her to a movie about apes. As if anyone in their right mind would believe that load of BS.
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Ms Jarrett doesn't look like an ape. Neither do Black people in general. Neither do Japanese people. Neither do the Irish. Tho the term has been used for all three groups, and others, over the long years.

It's an intellectually barren insult.

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JB is right about the difference between Samantha Bee and Rosanne.

As an aside if I had a co-worker try to justify racism as Brian mentioned that co-worker and I would be having an extremely stern and possible violent conversation. These last two years I have decided I will no longer stand silent and watch (usually) white men spew bigotry at others (usually women of color) in my presence. It's gotten ugly a couple times. It's worth it.



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Boy am I glad that I don't work where Brian Miller works. I'm pretty sure that I would have gotten fired yesterday.
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Actually, although the vast majority of my coworkers are Trump supporters, all of those comments were made by patients. 

It can get REALLY hard working in the rural south sometimes. Hell, living in the middle of this madness can get pretty bad. 
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 Brian Miller wrote:
Actually, although the vast majority of my coworkers are Trump supporters, all of those comments were made by patients.

Then I definitely would have gotten fired yesterday.
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Posted: 01 June 2018 at 11:51am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

I was taught that what you say about others is really more about you, so if you are calling people names it reflects a lot more on you, who you are, then the target. That said, sure we all blow off steam when angry and call names, but doing it in public or over the internet is knowingly seeking attention, not giving in to blowing off some steam privately. It's funny how Rosie O'Donnell was a fat smelly blah-blah-blah according to Trump, yet Roseanne who could be a cousin to Rosie in terms of her appearance never got any of these genius put-downs. D U M B.... kindergarten junk, and that's a president and one of your greatest stars? Where's that 'everything I needed to know I learned in kindergarten' book or Mister Rogers when we need them the most?
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Rosie O'Donnell is no innocent she gave at least as hard as she took. 

The difference in what Bee and Roseanne did is more than the words it is the intent. Bee wanted to get her opinion across and decided classless name calling was needed, she forgot her Mister Rogers too. She and her staff chose to use that word for the reaction they would get and possibly thought there would be no backlash because of the intended target. 

Roseanne used ignorant, offensive imagery because she is ignorant and offensive. She put no thought into those words, because even as repugnant as she is,with any thought she would have seen the consequences. 

What Rosanne put out was just wrong on so many levels and she will, rightly, pay the consequences and it will follow her for the rest of her life. What Bee did was classless name calling, happens every day, it will continue to be done but not with that word. 


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I've read comments about continuing the show wuthout her, like they did with VALERIE (which eventually became THE HOGAN FAMILY, after being called VALERIE'S FAMILY for a bit).

Umm...no.

The change from VALERIE to THE HOGAN FAMILY worked because Sandy Duncan was a better actress than Valerie Harper, and her character was more likeable, and Valerie Harper was only on the show for two years.

While I love the cast, I think Roseanne is sadly too important to the show, and getting rid of her would probably mean giving Jackie more screen time. NO THANKS.
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ABC is exploring the possibility of re-branding the show and focusing on Sara Gilbert's character Darlene instead of Roseanne. Considering the jobs lost, it's worth a shot. ABC has nothing to lose.

Hey...... they say John Goodman is "very interested."

-C!


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