Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
The John Byrne Forum
Byrne Robotics > The John Byrne Forum Page of 3 Next >>
Topic: Inappropriate Characters Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 132234
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 9:50am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Well, at least according to THIS GUY.

Odd thing here, tho. While they make a point of explaining that Rawhide Kid was not created as a Gay character, they don't mention that Big Bertha's bulimia was also tacked on by a later writer.

And the Hate Monger? Really? They do understand that he's a VILLAIN, right?

Back to Top profile | search
 
Andrew Bitner
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 01 June 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 7480
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

=sigh=
Even when they do their homework, they often get it wrong. What about "Hate Monger" is ambiguous?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 12186
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Very true. The Hate Monger, much like the Red Skull, surely is meant to be bad.

There's something very mocking in that guy's tone. I could be wrong, it just feels like a certain viewpoint ("I've read those tales, but they are silly and look at me telling you how silly they are.").
Back to Top profile | search
 
David Miller
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Posts: 3004
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

They should have included Wolverine, the all-ages superhero character who stabs his opponents to bloody death with the knives surgically implanted in his hands. 
Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 
Don Berner
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 06 July 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 75
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

That's one dumb video all right. Who is that intended to appeal to?

Edited by Don Berner on 20 April 2018 at 3:02pm
Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 
Eric Sofer
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 31 January 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 4789
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

The air of smarmy smugness is quite off-putting to me.

And someone who subjects early 40s comic characters - when ANY idea was hopeful to be the next Superman - to current standards is probably missing the boat. Yeah, I can go back through a lot of those comics... I can make fun of them... and in the end, they were written by grown men in the 40s for the idea that ANYTHING might catch on. Or might not.

Just seems as if someone needs a hobby. Besides comics, that is...
Back to Top profile | search
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 12186
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 3:30pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

That guy speaks in the same tone as those 'ghost hunters' you see on various documentaries (not that I seek such things out, but, I confess, I have stupidly seen some). 
Back to Top profile | search
 
Adam Schulman
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 22 July 2017
Posts: 1717
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

My only problem with the Hate-Monger is that he wasn't exactly the most original character in the world. 
Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 132234
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Could you list a few of who you feel preceded him, Adam?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Darren Taylor
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 22 April 2004
Location: Scotland
Posts: 5994
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 6:01pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I may be on my own here but I enjoy learning from history. Trying to understand the context of things.

It seems that this (what, these days, passes for a self anointed) journalist, misses that in pointing at trends of the past (and missing the point entirely with some characters). In doing so he has exposed the underskirt of the present.

I dunno, I've often heard that one should not swing at the easy ones and it feels that these needy top-10's are kinda 'easy'. 

We learn from the stigma's, lore & trends of the past. They helps us avoid or harken back to issues pertinent in the present.

Take the presenter, he owes more to scare mongering, like those that reacted to Fredrick Wertham back in the 50's than the super 'oh-so' enlightened stance he seems to feel that is indicative of this millenium!

This attitude seems to bleed (a little) into the whole current naming and shaming mentality. So and so is a bawdy lech and as such we should never look at one of their films ever again. 

And yet, we in the same breathe will say that someone who was severely autistic and genius level recall can draw every detail from a view they saw for only a minute. Let's revere this!

Somehow we live in a world where we can't separate the art from the artist, unless it suits our view on fairness and equality.

Art can (and sometimes does) come from odd places. Some of them quite dark or isolated.

Sticking with the Hate-monger and the Hitler connection. When they felt that something was subversive what did they do? Oh yeah...



I fail to follow the number one most inappropriate character. Is he saying that Hitler's 'hate' is now no longer inappropriate? So we are accepting of it?

Surely it would have been inappropriate if he was the hero of the piece not the villain?
 


Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 
Conrad Teves
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 28 January 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 2174
Posted: 20 April 2018 at 8:31pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I don't think Hate-Monger is inappropriate now much less then.  Almost couldn't be more relevant.  From Stan and Jack's standpoint, Hitler had only been dead for 18 years when he first appeared.  He was as fresh as the year 2000 is to us.  

I'm puzzled, are there many people who think having a villain that represents something bad in a story is the same as condoning the bad thing?

Judging from the comments in the YouTube video (never wise to read), that may be more common than I wished to believe.

I am once again reminded of Larry Niven's quip:

“There is a technical, literary term for those who mistake the opinions and beliefs of characters in a novel for those of the author. The term is 'idiot'.”
Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 
Darren Taylor
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 22 April 2004
Location: Scotland
Posts: 5994
Posted: 21 April 2018 at 3:54am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Conrad, I wouldn't read too much into the frequency of such commentators. When you bait your line, you invariably attract nibbles.

As is pointed out here all the time, the internet affords a small (but audible) part of society, to have their voice heard, as loudly as anyone else.

Content people tend to remain quiet, upset people like to 'bump-their-gums'.

Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 

Page of 3 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login