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Bill Collins
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Posted: 23 February 2018 at 2:45am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I`m watching TOS in HD for the first time on Netflix,
enjoying it a lot, but the numerous soft focus shots of
Kirk`s face keep taking me out of the episode.I guess in
standard definition it wasn`t so noticeable, but there`s
a definite difference! I can live with it though!
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I'm able to identify the stuntmen a lot easier.
I love the brightness and clarity of HD, it's beautiful, but some things just weren't meant to be seen so clear. The directors of that era knew what you could make out thru your tube tv.
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Yes, Kirk's double in The Enemy Within is very easy to
spot.Mentioning this particular episode, is using the
alien dog to test the transporter within Federation
rules?
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Even in old fashioned broadcast TV mode, I used to find myself oftimes quoting a line from the MAD parody of THE CARPETBAGGERS: "And now my obvious double will give your obvious double a beating he will never forget!"
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Posted: 23 February 2018 at 9:37am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Reminds me of the Kiss tv movie,they had a black guy as
the white Ace Frehley`s stunt double! Even Kiss make-up
couldn`t hide it.
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Posted: 23 February 2018 at 9:44am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Some of the "illness" makeup in TOS is surprisingly gross in HD, such as McCoy in City on the Edge of Forever, or the dying boy with the tricycle in Miri.
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Never forget that TOS was made for broadcast TV. HD is not a better format, it is the WRONG format.
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Never forget that TOS was made for broadcast TV. HD is not a better format, it is the WRONG format.

I'm reminded of the people who insist on making everything they watch fit the screen they are watching it on.   Every corner must be filled, aspect ratio be damned!

I'm sure the original production crew never envisioned others would be chopping the top and bottom off the picture and stretching it all to hell and back decades later.



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I love TOS in HD, looks AMAZING!!! I just bought the entire series on sale for $28 on VUDU.  It is now back up to $99!! I am now waiting for the original Twilight Zone series in HD to go on sale.
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Watched Bread and Circuses in HD recently and McCoy's stunt double really looked very obvious, not that that really makes all that much of a difference.

In fact, I watched The Ultimate Computer and Bread and Circuses back to back. I was lulled into watching the latter because the former was so good.
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Peter, Kirk`s stunt double is often really obvious too!
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I just watched "Court Martial", and that battle in Engineering... oh my heavens. The stunt double's hair style was lovely, but not even CLOSE to Shatner's!

And on the other hand... they did what they could with what they had. If I see it... I just ignore it. I mean, what else can one do? Ruin my enjoyment by nitpicking it to death? That's not the route I go with TOS' first two seasons.
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Not nitpicking just amused!
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Bill C. - Fair enough, and surely one can be amused. I just meant that nitpicking TOS doesn't amuse me... it bugs me. How many viewers now were around back then? It reminds me of modern watchers of cartoons who criticize the old Hanna Barbera cartoons... what the hell could you expect?!?!?
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I WAS around then!(My first experience of Star Trek was
around 1968/9 in black and white!) Like i said, the Kiss
example with Ace Frehley`s stunt double being a black
guy is funny because it`s so obvious even in bog
standard definition!
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And on the other hand... they did what they could with what they had. If I see it... I just ignore it. I mean, what else can one do?

You know eventually someone's going throw some money around and attempt to CGI those stunt doubles out.   

(and  by attempt I really mean just that -- the CGI on the remastered versions already looks dated and almost lifeless when sandwiched between shots of *real* TOS)


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 QUOTE:
Never forget that TOS was made for broadcast TV. HD is not a better format, it is the WRONG format.

A lot of those older tv series were shot in 16mm film and would not be an ideal candidate for HD, but Star Trek was shot in 35mm, so was Gilligan's Island, I Love Lucy  and several others.  35mm looks amazing when converted to HD.


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You know eventually someone's going throw some money around and attempt to CGI those stunt doubles out.   

(and by attempt I really mean just that -- the CGI on the remastered versions already looks dated and almost lifeless when sandwiched between shots of *real* TOS)

I was recently introduced to the concept of "deepfakes". Pasting other faces into existing scenes. Except, it's more than pasting. More like mapping, so when the original person's head moves, the new face moves appropriately with it. The effect is... disturbing. And could certainly be used in instances like this.

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I have no doubt that within my lifetime there will be a new episode of TOS, created with CGIs of the actors, and simulations of their voices. Similar to Jurassic Park, the makers will be too busy wondering how to make it work to stop and ask if they should make it work.
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I have no doubt that within my lifetime there will be a new episode of TOS, created with CGIs of the actors, and simulations of their voices. Similar to Jurassic Park, the makers will be too busy wondering how to make it work to stop and ask if they should make it work. 
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I dunno that I would take it for granted that they shouldn't.  I mean, when technology gets to that point, which seems inevitable barring society destroying catastrophe, wouldn't that just be the video version of JB's New Visions?

While I admit to feeling a twinge at an actor, especially a deceased actor's voice and likeness being used to make things that they weren't a part of, at a purely logical level, I don't see how it would be much different than the countless novels, comics, etc. that have been produced featuring those characters in new stories.  Sure the actor isn't participating in the production, but I don't think Shatner or Nimoy have gotten to review every use of Kirk or Spock in new stories since the end of TOS in print form either.
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Are the episodes on Netflix of TOS the original, unremastered (except for the HD quality) versions of the show? I prefer to watch the original, unaltered versions of the show (and any movie or show). Cleaning up the image, i.e., "restoration," is one thing, but I don't like updating effects and such with new technology. Such things should be left as a record of the time it was produced, in my view.

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TOS on Netflix has updated effects. Sorry.
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Ugh. Thanks for the info, Peter.
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I prefer the updated effects because it does not alter the story and they are fairly minimal, just updated to look a lot prettier.  The updated effects were never meant to look modern, but in tone with what could have been accomplished back in the 60's if the budget was bigger.  That said, I always want the original unaltered episodes to be available.
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It's interesting to me that most STAR TREK fans seem okay with the CGI changes, whereas with STAR WARS, most fans seem against it.

How many here are okay with STAR TREK's changes, and do you also have no problem with the changes in STAR WARS? If you do have a problem with one, but not the other, what is the distinction for you?

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